Everyone seems to be against Raj Thackeray. No one seems to be discussing the root cause, the real issues and the plight of Maharashtrians.
According to me and most Marathi people the real issues are:
1. Burden on Maharashtra
For how many years should Maharashtrians bear the burden of UPites and Biharis under the name of One India, just because their states are undeveloped? Surely, we want to live in One India but not at the cost of losing our jobs, our land, our culture, our language and our identity.
2. Recruitment of UP/Biharis in Maharashtra
Railway Recruitment Board, under the guidance of Union Railway Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav (who was jailed for lots of scams like Fodder Scam) is systematically recruiting only UPites/Biharis. He behaves like Indian Railways is his personal property. What you heard this time (i.e. ads published in UP and Bihar dailies only, for jobs in Mumbai) is just one example. There are numerous other examples.
3. Adamancy to Mix with Local Culture
Why Maharashtrians don't have any problems with Gujaratis, Marawaris, Sindhis, South Indians, Bengalis, Punjabis, etc? These people are in abundance in Maharashtra and even higher in number than UPites/Biharis and they control lots of trading and businesses in urban and rural Maharashtra. Factually speaking, most of them are wealthier than Marathis and even UPites/Biharis. If you ask any Marathi person, he/she will tell the reason behind this. It is because these people mix with local culture, speak Marathi, respect local culture and the most important thing is that they don't import their own politicians from their states (Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab, Karnataka, West Bengal, Kerala, Tamilnadu, etc). They earn money here and live happily with Marathis without polluting cultural or political situation of Maharashtra.
Now if you come to Mumbai, Pune or for that matter any city in Maharashtra you will easily notice the difference between these people and UP/Biharis. When UP/Biharis come to Maharashtra they just do everything opposite to what Gujaratis, Marawaris, Sindhis, South Indians, Bengalis, Punjabis, etc do. They will never gel up with local culture, and will always remain as UP/Biharis even after spending 30 or 40 years in Maharashtra (Remember Jaya Bachchan's comments on Marathi language). They bring their own politician, they never learn Marathi (can you imagine how painful this would be for Maharashtrians who love their language), they take away Marathi people's job not on merit but by lobbing and by political influence. It's not only in railways, but in other government jobs as well. If you are interested in statistics, please open Maharashtra Governments' official site and look at employees list in MH union portfolios and you will know how much discrepancies Marathi people have to bear due to their political leaders' weight in the center.
4. National Language Phenomenon
One thing I want to ask all UP/Biharis. You always dismiss the issues of language by saying that Hindi is the national language of India. Do you know the history of Hindi becoming national language? Hindi was opposed by Tamilnadu, Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Orissa, Bengal, Assam and all north eastern states. It was only Maharashtra and Gujarat who favored Hindi against English for national language under the three language formula (which states that if Hindi would be compulsory in non-Hindi states, then Hindi states should learn at least one non-Hindi language of India). By the way, how many UP/Biharis know any Indian language other than Hindi?
5. Mockery of Amendment to Democratic Law
Now, one last point I want to clear. Everyone says that according to constitution of India we can live and work anywhere in India. I totally agree with this, but you should also know the amendment to the law - "In such a way that it should not create any problems with native people and should be in accordance with the living situations" I hope you understand what it means. Don't you think Mumbai is already saturated? Don't you think that these lakhs and crores of UP/Biharis create problems such as space, water, jobs, transportation, security, culture, etc to local population of Mumbai? Again I would like to mention one historical fact. The creator of Indian constitution Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar had warned Mumbai and other non-Hindi states that these UP/Bihar people with their huge population, political influence and underdevelopment will create problems for every non-Hindi state that will be lenient with them.
Thank you for reading this Blog. I hope that with all these facts and real issues, you would be able to discuss the current scenario better.
Jai Hind! Jai Maharashtra!
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
Raj Thackeray Issue & The Plight of Maharashtrians
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Thanks for correct analysis.
Interesting comment. The people here are forgetting that there are two sides to the coin.
The issue of Marathi hoardings is an example of how people neglect or ignore local culture, unless pressure/ muscle is applied on them. We are not terrorists, but we cannot see our people unemployed. We cannot see out culture diminish. Thankfully, we cannot close our eyes.
Do we have a solution for this issue? As a maharashtrian, I also understand the problems but guess we need a solution for this. Completely stop UP/Bihari people from coming to Mumbai? I dont think it will solve the issue. Any ideas?
Well never been to Mumbai... But i understand ur plight..
But let me ask you something.. At some part of the life... after ur graduation... u must be unemployed.. lets say for a day...U get a job vacancy somewhere in say Bangalore. U liked the job profile. It suits you.. Will u go and attend or not???? will u say its for bangloreans only?????
Now tell me coming to Mr. Raj..
I have few things against him.
1) He dared the government to arrest him. He is not above the law. he threathned with serious consequences like burning Maharastra..IS it correct????
2)Was it good on his part and his Partys part to attack innocent students who went to give the exams. One of the Student is killed. Is Mr. Raj going to pay compensation for his family.
3)Wat did government buses, Government prperty do??? why do u set them ablaze??? How many MNS hooligans( i am calling only those who vandalised public property) pay taxes. Its tax payers money dear.. they have no right to destroy as if it is there own propety.
Well waht u said might be corrct.. but the way MNS is fighting against it is absolutely rubbish
@nomanland
Thanks! Do visit my Blog again.
@pushkar bendre
Thanks! We definitely cannot see local jobs snatched on a large extent.
@jaydeep hingne
Thanks! Well, the issue is larger than one can imagine. What will happen to our future generations if such thing continues? Someone has to pull the plug on this party.
@indian
Thanks for your comments! I am not endorsing violence by MNS activists. Even I condemn the same, but people must understand the root cause.
We are not opposed to jobs for non-Maharashtrians, but look at the extent of those jobs. At the RRB exams nearly 80% who appeared were UPites and Biharis. What message does this convey? If 80% of jobs are snatched from locals, they are bound to get angry. There are lots of unemployed youths in Maharashtra. Don't they deserve to get government jobs? At least 80% of those jobs should go to locals, and exactly the opposite happens. How will this resolve the unemployment issue in Maharashtra?
Now suppose if those 80% UPites/Biharis get those railway jobs. They will move here, get their family along, and eventually it will be an extra burden on the city.
Dear Indian.,
Being Indian first & Maharashtrian also. i wish to acknowledge your concern..
As far as job outstation is concern.
One should be welcome, but people how don't respect other people territory.& want to snatch food & earning from local people..nowhere they will be respected.
lalu did not do justice to local recruitments.. what media has not covered is Raj himself initially met Railway authority to get transperancy in recruitment process & request change.
but he was taken for toss! since lalu & his party was concerned about big money he get from such recruitments.
also lalu has been ignoring accident ratio in Mumbai due to over load of populations, atleast 7 men are dead every week on overcrowded track borivali to virar western railway line.. where as metro are running in not so necessesary places / cities in India, Mumbai should have been first to introduce metro. atleast considering kind of taxes Mumbai support to centre..or north indians taking free rides in Railway in North is not New..
even stories of empty trains running from Chapra & Patna just because lalu comes from chapra again is not new story!!
Now about the Bihari student who died, even media confirmed today.. all the Maharshtrian are with his family, but the fact is he died on same railway crowded track & not on MNS Rioting.
it was Railway who was the culprit!!!
Kishor Pawar
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While the first right of locals for the jobs cannot be denied, the ways of achieving the same can be more democratic in India. If we look into the industrial policy in Maharashtra, the registration requires an oath or affidavit granting most jobs to persons domiciled in the state. This can be easily enforced as is done in case of SC/ST/OBC quota by the concerned Govt agencies. I would appeal to all fellow Maharashtrian to "take up the issue with right and not might". What have we achieved by burning ang breaking so many vehicles and closing shops and markets. We must not forget that all the persihable materials like vegetables and fish / poultry are produced by we Maharashtrians and any roiting / bandh puts our already poor farmers into further losses. The daily wage earners also get affected. Again if I consider the total income generated in the state whether by locals or migratory wage earners, the amount is spent in the state, thereby providing indirect employment to producers and sellers of daily needs.
I will therefore urge all fellow Maharashtrians irrespective of party line to achieve the desired result of employment for the locals in a more democratic and rightful way. We should keep writing and persuing the matter at all concerned levels. Pen is certainly mightier than sword and let us keep this in our mind. I personally see enough potential in employment generation through Hi-tech Agriculture and Food chain.We have vast coast line huge marine and soil resources and rainfall to exploit and encash. Jai Maharashtra.
@ Sachin:
Dear Sachin -
I have a simple question for you.
If UP/Biharis are so confident about their themselves and their aptitude, why do they need to travel to Mumbai?? Why?? Why??
I was in Mysore for a brief period. In that I learnt atleast a few lessons of Kannada. I loved the taste karnataka's regional food delicasies. I was liked by my kannada collegues who became friends in a very short time and some of them are my close friends even though i'm out of india for some time.
One of my close friends is a malyalam guy who stays in pune. he speaks fluent marathi, loves to eat thalipeeth, sings in marathi, celebrates marathi festivals with us. and we also go to his place to wish him on onam.
THis works!
If you respect other person, other person will definitely respect you..
And thats what is missing in mumbai from the people coming from UP/Bihar largely.
@combatants
Thanks for your comments & your reply to Indian. Railway minister Laloo Prasad Yadav has constantly ignored the difficulties faced by Mumbaikars' traveling in local trains. It's no wonder that he wants to fill up Biharis in white collar posts, who would just sit and do nothing.
@abira agro
Thanks for your comments! Certainly pen is mightier than sword. If results can be achieved by such democratic means then we should go for it. But for exams such as RRB ones, the directive comes from the center and I think only Bihar based domicile information is looked into for candidates who are selected for such exams. Anyway, we hope that the voices of Maharashtrians are now heard and this case is seriously looked into.
@Jaydeep Hingne
Thanks for your comments on Sachin's post. The discussion on this Blog needs to be healthy and even if it is in opposition to my post, it needs to have a firm foundation and it simply cannot be baseless. Sachin's comment really didn't make any sense, so they were removed.
@yogesh kadvekar
Thanks for your comments! You have highlighted a very good point. India would have been on better ground if media in our country was constructive, unbiased and analytical. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Our media is only after getting higher TRPs, getting more commercials and filling up their coffers.
i really dont understand the way people are fighting and thinking that they are not getting jobs, man if you are qualified enough you can get job anywhere in the world.
Let say if you are getting an offer from US, you wont go?
This man is simply playing politics they way balasaheb thakery had done in the past and see where are we today? we are at the same place its not politician it us who has to prove that we can also work like UPiats and Biharis.
We dont want to work hard but want to get everything. thats the biggest problem with us. we dont even think that what is right or wrong. we simply follow whatever other politicians are saying..
Keep it guys, this will continue and after 30 years a new leader will come with the same thought and we will remain the same, unless we do not modify ourself and stop following foools and gundas like RAJ
@pooran
Thanks for your comments! I can understand that if you are qualified, you get a job, but what if an aspiring candidate is denied the opportunity to get a government job that even he has dreamt about. This is what is happening with local people. They are competent enough to secure government jobs, but they are not allowed to appear for the exams (in fact they never knew about the exams). How can they win the job on their merit?
Leave alone Mumbai. Go down south and visit South Kokan (down south Ratnagiri to Goa). Acres and acres of agricultural fields lay bare because there are not ENOUGH Maharashtrian sons of the soils to take care of them. One point in case is that you DO NOT find any local Marathi manoos to climb up coconut trees or supari trees to collect the crop. Where do you get labor from ? The usual refrain is " taaa amka jamoocha nhaai.. tee kaama amchi nasat" (that's too lowly a job for me, I won't do it).
Another case in point - visit any Kokan town (Kankavli, Kudal, Achre, Phonda, Sawantwadi), most of the fishing industry is now in the hands of non-marathi kolis.
The fact of the matter remains that Maharashtrian grassroots - and come to think of it, especially MEN .. mostly think that they are Shivaji's 'vaaras' and they will not touch lowly jobs. They will criticise their fellow marathi folk who blaze pathways to success but will be hellbent on making sarcastic remarks behind them.
You do not need brains to get a driving license and to own a taxi. You do not need brains to become a Dhobi. And talking of dhobis, you don't even need to wash laundry using your hands like the Bihari dhobis do. There is enough of automation available on the market !!! But do you see any Marathi owned laundry shop? Zilch !
You neither need the grey matter to be a successful entrepreneur starting from scratch.
On the very other end of the spectrum, Marathi culture has never been brought to the fore. Bollywood always glorified Punjabi / Rajasthani / UP cultures with khaandaani surnames and over glorified glitzy Punjabi bhangda influenced songs. Maharashtra too has a strong rythmic roots and we have the Dhol Tasha Zhaanz / Lejhim as one of the most enthralling aural and visual cultural export. Which Hindi movie has showcased this? NONE ! Has any Marathi Director making Hindi movies with a Mumbai storyline showcased this? NONE ! Why do Marathi Directors making Hindi movies always showcase a police constable or a outlaw as Marathi? Even corrupt politicians are shown as Marathi and not from other states? Why is Marathi culture NOT celebrated on Bollywood screens? And what keeps Raj Thakrey or his uncle in Shiv Sena ignoring this ?
And I ask my fellow Marathi brethren - if the application for railway posts were advertised in Maharahstra's newspapers, what were our Marathi 'maanse' doing? What kept them from applying ? Could they not read ?
Koni tari uttar dyaa ani majhi samzoot ghaala :)
Aaapla, namrapane, Prasad Patil, Hong Kong.
Very clear thoughts are penned-down. I do agree and are in similar state of mind by seeing whatever is going on. I strongly support hitting/beating/hurting these Biharies at this point of time. If the horses are not running in line, punishment is the only solution.
But, after lot of brainstorming, there are few questions that are still unanswerable.
Why we Marathi people have allowed these arrogant, so called dominating UP-Biharies to come here and disturb our culture? Why we gave an opportunity to snatch our jobs? Are we lethargic/led-back? Can't we compete? or unless the water doesn't enter in our mouth we wont start moving our hands/legs? So called 'chip' jobs are not meant for Marathi public? 'Hard work' is the word that hardly comes in the way of Marathi manus.
Though Mr. Raj is doing the right thing by escalating this issue at national level, I hesitate to believe in his intentions. Why this fellow did not do such 'Kranti' when he was in Shiva-sena. Or these things should only be done when our state is at the verge of elections. Can't these things be done when political leaders and political parties are not at the ruling side?
If Mr. Raj has to do something for Marathi manus, whenever he comes across any job opening, do post it in local news papers, start circulating circulars, do group announcements using auto-rickshaws as they do at the time of elections... and then start putting pressure on government... pardon my language, but in that case 'Government la zak marat marathi maNsala support karawa lagel'. Be aggressive in right way...
Marathi people working at higher posts do favor marathi newbie, but quality and eager to do the best should be there. Skills do come as part of experience.
What I would like to suggest is, our (read marathi people) mentality should be changed. We got to be more aggressive in right way, got to be fearless, have to have our own thoughts, got to be workaholic at least at the start of career, got to be ready to do any work regardless of the 'reputation' in the society, must be ready to leave our place in condition demands it...
We have to start from ourselves... there is no way out...
If we are focused, energetic, hard-working, who dares to look at us...
@ Blogmaster and Jaydeep Hinge
If i did not make myself clear beforee, lemme staet one thing again :
"All these competitive exams and tests are being held at an all India Level to tap in the best talent all over the country. Not only the U.P and Biharis, but also the Marathis , Tamils and other south indian people avail these benifits in the employment oppertunities In the Northern Region.
If we were to follow your model of Marathi first it would destroy the very fabric of unity that holds our country together.
No communioty is in Majority in any part of the country. if these hate waves are allowed to grow, each state will become a small country where atrocities and hate crimes will be committed against in retaliation or planned against those in minority....
Shall we allow only North indians to get admission in IIT delhi and onli bengalis in IIM calcutta ....
Then why stop here ...
Divide the water , the air ...
Only Marathis will breathe in Maharashtra air and North Indians will have to bring their own oxygen cylinders !!!!
Anything that goes against the opinion of the majority of the people on this blogroll would not even stand a chance of being heard, even if it is a voice of reason.
And the way my comments have been removed just cements that !!!
U dnt have any facts to deny what i have said and yet u maintain the montonous tone of "Drive of North Indians" and all that crap.
विलास देशमुखांना खुले पत्र.
बहुतेक वेळा राज्याच्या मुख्यमंत्र्यांना "माननीय" असे संबोधण्याची प्रथा आहे. पण आपणाबाबत आता असे म्हणावेसे वाटेनासे झाले आहे. गेल्या काही वर्षात आपण व आपल्या पक्षाने महाराष्ट्राचे नक्की काय भले केले काही कल्पना नाही. मुंबईत बड्या बिल्डरांचे मॉल्स आलेत, गिरणगावातून मराठी हद्दपार होतेच आहे, शेतकरी आत्महत्यांमध्ये महाराष्ट्राचा नंबर पहिला आहे, विजेचा प्रश्न तसाच, टाटांची नॅनो महाराष्ट्राला हुलकावणी देऊन गुजराथाला निघून गेली. गेली काही वर्ष आपण मुंबईला शांघाय करण्याच्या वावड्या उठविल्या होत्या. ते कधी आणि कसे होणार त्याचा काहीच पत्ता नाही, (मुबईत जागांचे भाव मात्र शांघाय सारखेच !). परंतु, आपण आता मुंबईचे उत्तरप्रदेश अथवा बिहार नक्कीच कराल ह्याबद्दल अजिबातच शंका नाही.
नुकत्याच झालेल्या राज ठाकरेंच्या अटकेनंतर आपण नक्की कोणत्या राज्याचे मुख्यमंत्री आहात असा प्रश्न पडल्याशिवाय राहत नाही. ऐन दिवाळी व छठ पूजेच्या निमित्ताने आपण उत्तरप्रदेश आणि बिहारच्या लोकांना दिलेली हि भेटच! राज ठाकरेंच्या हक्क मागण्याच्या पद्धतीबद्दल आक्षेप असणे स्वाभाविक आहे, परंतु त्यांचे मुद्देही तितकेच योग्य आहेत. आपण त्यांच्या कृतीबद्दल त्यांना तुरुंगात डांबले आणी ज्या मुद्द्यासाठी मनसेने आंदोलन केले त्या मुद्द्याला मात्र जाणीवपूर्वक बगल दिलीत. लालू यादव ह्यांनी मात्र आपल्या लोकांची पुरेपूर काळजी घेतली. त्यांच्या लोकांच्या रेल्वे भरतीच्या आड येणाऱ्या रा़ज ठाकरेंना तुमच्यातर्फे अटक करविली. आपल्या लोकांसाठी रेल्वेची परीक्षा पुन्हा घेण्याची घोषणा केली व मुंबईत छठपुजेचीही ( मराठी माणसाच्या नाकावर टिच्चून ) पुरेपूर सोय करून घेतली.
आपल्याच बरोबरीने, शिवराज पाटीलही राजवर तितक्याच जोमाने लोकसभेत कडाडले ( हाच कणखरपणा त्यांना अतिरेक्यांच्या बाबतीत मात्र दाखवता आला नाही. ). राज ठाकरेचे विचार मराठी माणसाला मान्य नाहीत अश्या आशयाचे (हास्यास्पद)विधानाही त्यांनी केले. आपल्या काँग्रेसचे महाराष्ट्रातले इतर खासदारही रेल्वे नोकर भरती संबंधी काहीही आवा़ज उठविताना दिसले नाहीत. पाटलांच्या वक्तव्यावरून त्यांची आणि काँग्रेसची, मराठी माणसांशी नाळ किती जुळतेय ते लक्ष्यात आले. आपणही, राज ठाकरेंच्या नावाने मराठी माणसांच्या भावनांना मिळणारी वाट, त्यांना अटक करून बंद केलीत. राज ठाकरेंच्या अटकेनंतर आपण रेल्वेभरतीबद्दलही तितकेच आग्रही आणि मराठी हितसंरक्षणासाठी काही घोषणा केली असती, तर आम्हाला तुम्ही आमचे आणि ह्या महाराष्ट्राचे मुख्यमंत्री वाटला असता. परंतु महाराष्ट्राच्या मागण्यांसाठी आमचे दिल्लीतील प्रतिनिधी काहीही करत नाहीत हे राजचे म्हणणे आपण आणि आपल्या पक्षाच्या खासदारांनी सत्य करून दाखविले.
पटण्यामध्ये आज राजच्या अटकेच्या बातमीने फटाके फुटत होते. वर त्यांना परीक्षा पुन्हा देण्यासंबंधी घोषणाही झाली होती. माघारी परतल्यावर त्यांनी तिथे केलेली स्टेशनची नासधूस ही काही "मिडिआवाल्यांसाठी" बातमी नव्हतीच. इथे, मात्र
@Sachin
Thanks for your comments! Now you talk sense. You should've read your earlier comments. I really don't want to cement comments opposing my post. I need a healthy unbiased discussion which isn't baseless. That is why I didn't remove Indian's comment.
Anyway, coming over to your point... Well, do you know how these Biharis clear exams in Bihar? And, even the so-called Bihari IAS officers? There are open book exams with no time limit. These are not assumptions but facts. So, you know what kind of government employees they produce.
Where in my post did I mention Marathi first, ONLY Marathi and No One Else? Everyone knows that things don't work in that fashion. Without immigrants even United States would be struggling. We just raise the basic question of preference to locals. Don't they even deserve this for being locals?
Also, please don't generalize. These allegations are not against the entire North Indian community.
@prasad
Thanks for your comments! I can understand that Bihari labourer is cheap and they seem to survive for that very reason. Even we do not have issues with that. The only thing is that they should respect local culture, stop criminal activities and abusing the society.
Also, I agree that Marathi culture was never brought to the fore by Bollywood. Even I don't know why such discrimination. Marathi people are only portrayed as havaldaars and kaamwalis? Is it only because Bollywood is in Mumbai? Its high time these Bollywood folks understands that kaamwalis always belong to larger part of local population anywhere in India. You cannot expect Marathi kaamwalis in Delhi, Gujarat or West Bengal.
@Smrutichitre
Thanks for your comments! I do agree that attitude of most Marathi people is laid back. We need more hardworking Marathi people. Also, Marathi people should understand that uplifting the entire community is the need of the hour, and not pulling each others legs.
@NoManLand
Thanks for the letter in Marathi. Pan, patra ardhavat rahila. Urlela machkur nantar post kar.
I am sorry if i sounded a bit like a hardcore fundaamentalist but its not you who i was pointing out when i referred to the Marathi first thing.
As per credible media resources this is is the whole basis of this hate campaign.
I 100% agree with your comment that no single community can drive the growth of any particular state.
In this era of globalization even foreigners like AMERICANS, MEXICANS AND CHINESE WORK IN INDIAN COMPANIES AND CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS ITS PRODUCTIVITY.
This trend is truly in line with the culture of our country " Vasudhev Kutumbukum" meaning whole world is a home.
How can we be proud of such a culture if we dnt implement it in our own country.
I knw that the plight of competitive exams is poor in states like bihar but its similar if not worse in other states as well.
There always has been corruption and " Sifarish" system in Indian bureaucracy.
Being a Maharashtrian i myself personally witness to many such cases in IPS , IAS and other government agencies.
This is the fault of the system, why do you single out a particular community or peolpe belonging to a state when we ourselves have similar standards in our state.
And who would not want to mix with us wonderful people.
Like many people here have given examples of how they know people from the south who mix well and have cordial relations with them, i can site innumerable examples of people who belong to Bihar/U.P and yet are very warm and helpful. They have been friends, mentors, guides and what not ....
As for their general behaviour i can say only this:
As disgusting and utterly wrong it would be to brand all the muslims terrorists, in the recent spate of arrests that have been made in bomb blasts across the country, The same thing applies over here. u cannot judge the entire community based on the wrong doings of a few people.
Jst forget for a moment that the person is not from Bihar or U.P...
Think of him as just a man who has several mouths to feed ....
He has no means but his talent , education and self respect ....
Would you not help this man to earn his livelyhood .....
Does he have to be a Marathi in order to get your sympathy and help ...
Isn't it enuf that he is an Indian !!!!!!!
The issue may be correct but the solution to the problem is extremely wrong.
people who vandalised public property do not care what the issue is .They are rogue elements of society whose only intention is to have a good time destroying things.
Mitra,
me tujha blog use ani follo hi kelay!! i hope you dont mind.
Please let me know if you dont want me to do it.
Dhanyavaad!!
Jay Maharashtra!
everyone seems to be against the violence against the north indians .... i too felt the same , but guess what would have happened if we didnt have Raj at the command of all these ...now , people were slapped , beaten and let off .... say thanks for this , cause if the situation would have been like assam where we didnt have a political party fighting for the rights of locals , the north indians were KILLED .
Thankfully we in mumbai didnt do that. and what we get in return is a FALSE CASE saying that a student was thrashed to death ..... seems we understand the value of life more than others .
when was the last time maharashtra broke out into riots over these issue?? i m 24 yr old and i remember 1-2 instances ... and never was it so huge ... why ... because now the pressure is showing . no one taught the southindians hindi ... and they r not breaking india , one guy stands up and says we in maharashtra should speak marathi ... and entire india says he is a terrorist trying to break india ...
i seen a movie trailer saying " veer savarkar , babasaheb ambedkar , gandhiji never differentiated us on lines of language , then who are we to do that " . i need to see that script writer ... wasnt maharashtra for marathis , bihar for biharis , gujrat for the gujrathis and so on ?? who divided india on language basis ?? why did those great people do it ? cause they felt the regional development will be better that way ... and now are we not being over smart trying to prove our nationalism and disturb the entire balance ??
remember the HULLA after Bombay was renamed Mumbai .... how many now spontaneously say mumbai ?? and who all remember that chennai was also called madras ??? bombay sabko yaad hain ... madras shayad bhool gaye nahi !!!!
some people do ask questions saying " what if u get a job in bangalore [ or should i say bangalooru] wont you go " . yes i would , but i guess we r talking of jobs after my graduation !!! will someone from mumbai go to chennai to sell fruits ?? drive a taxi ?? can understand if its a job of an IT professional .. even an air hostess requires training ... and then we earn that job !!! .... i am a doctor , i give my PG CET , clear it and join some college in chennai cause i deserve it ... and that should be the way naa .... did raj thakrey say to IT professionals dont come to maharashtra ?? all he asked was leaving the UNSKILLED JOBS atleast for the marathi locals ..... and we have problems with that .... why do we require a bhiari to come and drive a taxi here ... a marathi guy can do that as well ... but how can he if he cant get a taxi license if the bihari has already paid and got multiple licenses ?? then what should a marathi person do ?? two things remain .... commit suicide [ useless method , no one cares a damn ] or FIGHT for the RIGHTS ... and finally we guess , the choice has been made ....
@sachin
Well, the problem with the system is altogether a different issue. Corruption prevails everywhere in India, whether it's Maharashtra, Bihar or Tamilnadu.
Again I want to mention that a Bihari is welcome in Maharashtra, but he should respect local culture and should not create problems for local people. If you see the statistics, crime rates by UP/Bihari people alone are the highest in Mumbai. Even Raj Thackeray's lawyer is a North Indian, but he considers himself as a Maharashtrian.
@fuuuuun
It is true that vandalising is not the solution to this issue. Thanks for your comments!
@sHaiL
Of course, I don't mind. I would suggest everyone to follow this Blog. I will be writing more and will try to project a clear view on various aspects and issues of our concern.
@Avinash Sadadekar
Thanks for your comments! I think these Biharis will never understand that their politicians are fooling them and simply doing nothing to develop their state. These people will continue to flock to places like Mumbai to find earning opportunities, and eventually snatch local jobs. This problem needs to be addressed at grass root level and its high time Biharis think seriously about developing their own state, rather than burning it down for not allowing them in other state. Line had to be drawn somewhere and I think MNS has done the right thing to escalate this issue...
@Blogmaster
Could u site the resources from where u have arrived at the figures :
crimes committed by u.p/biharis vs crimes committed by local criminals
...
I think the dreaded underworld of mumbai have all the locals as their
spearheads.
I am starting to get the feeling that it feels ok to be robbed by
locals then by outsiders ...
It should be noted that there is no religon of any criminal.
He kills, robs, destroys without any discrimination :)
Then why should we !!!!
Coming bsck to the point u made about the crimes committed by upites
and biharis,My question to you would be,friend what are the chances
that a person who is coming to get a job plans on looting and theft
????
@Avinash
I certainly am not comfortable if someone comes and says to me : Feel
lucky that this is Maharashtra and we only broke your bones. If it
were Assam, u would be dead.....
This is the same Goonda RAJ mentality that i beleive myself and most
of us are opposed to.
For me the real issue we maharshtrians are facing are reservation of
Jobs for locals. That can be fixed by having in place an elaborate
structure of policies put in by the State govt to ensure that a fixed
%age of jobs always goes to us.
I beleive the people we elected are marathis, right ???Then we can't
complain of being pushed around by the so called "Majority"
But until that happens we can have peaceful protests like the one
AIIMS students did in Delhi ... to force the govt !!!!
Violence in any form is condemnable and is not a solution in any scenario !!!!
One other point that i read smwhere mentioned in the blog that releted to the diminishing of marathi culture in relation to the signboards that should be in Marathi.
I dnt knw who wrote this but imagine yourself going to chennai and all the signboards are in Tamil.
How will you find your way across the town or get things of basic amenities.
Its just a matter of acknowliding and respecting the diverse culture that our country has so that each community is comfortable in living in any part of the country.
In this era of globalization it is important that we retain our culture, not forgetting who we are and where we have come. But it would be a foolilsh choice if we fail to acknowledge other things that are not native to our state.
English and Hindi being the languages that are spoken throughout have their own importance. They help us get jobs.
As has been said many times on this blog that it is not possible that all the Marathis get the jobs in Maharashtra only.
They migrate to other states as well whether be it a sftwre engineer or a mere vegetable seller.
The point is that as a fundamental right every citizen of INDIA has the right to move freely about the whole country, free to practice their own religion and free to have a employmnet of thei choice in anypart of the country.
And remeber the so call anti-bihari drive is specific to Mumbai only, and that too on the will of hooligans like Raj.
Mumbai is not the whole of Maharashtra and they don't support this ... i know that many a maharshtrian brothers would support me on this !!!!!
U surely can't expect PIZZA HUT, VERSACE aur DOMINOS written in marathi.
Education will empower people with the choice to conduct buisness, branding aur ads in their own way, who are we to tell them what they should do...
And mind you ,
All the shops that were vandalized and burnt on this issue were that of us Marathi Manoos !!!!!
dear Mr sachin ,
nowhere in my entire comment have i written consider urself lucky that we broke bones .... i too m against voilence .... but do u really remember how many people were killed in assam ?? nahi naa ... do u kno the name of the person who was killed in accident at andheri and was used to tell people in bihar that he was killed by MNS workers ??.... i know u will answer that !!! and do u kno why ?? its cause we maharashtrians donot defend ourselves ..... why couldnt vilasrao deshmukh tell laloo that we want exams in mumbai and for maharashtrians only , why couldnt he yell in the house that since marathi people are tourtured in bihar over a fool[read laloo] telling people there that the person died in riots , that fool shoud be "hanged" for promoting hatered among indians ?? isnt he a terrorist in disguise ??.... its because of people like us who are so strong about our feeling towards marathi naa , we care a damn ..... our politicians have been so bad that we [ and only we in maharashtra ] were taught about patriotism ... and that we have to share .... what is bihar sharing ?? people ?? sorry we dont need them here ......
somewhere in ur entry here u wrote " now ask people from bihar to bring their own oxygen " ... unka bas chale to yaha ka sab oxygen parcel karde bihar ko .....
Oh , and for that marathi sign boards.. i hope u have been to chennai .... where did u read a sign in hindi ... or for that matter english ?? i dont remember reading one ..... order a chinese soup and out comes "chinese sambaar" ... and we eat that saying " bagha kashi aapli sanskruti japtat " ...... tell me one blog on this entire net which reads " hindi in tamilnadu / andhra / karnataka should be made compulsory " ...... kitne milenge ?? sachin sahab zara dhoondke batana zara , i m poor at searching the net ....
lemme give u an excellent example of how they care about their culture .... go to NIMHANS.kar.nic and download their brouchure for admission to post graduation studies ..... read it thoroughly and u will find that they specifically make it compulsory for the new student to learn the local language ... they have lectures for that purpose and its compulsory to attend ...... and if u dont know NIMHANS is a national level institute for mental health ...... almost similar to AIIMS...... and they can do that ..... ever heard that mumbai ka medical colleges asking their students to learn Marathi so that they can better communicate with the patients [JJ is almost as good as a national level , so is KEM hospital , Sion hospital has the best trauma care in entire ASIA , Nair hospital is becoming great one too , ].... nahi naa .... and we will never allow this to happen because we r taught this is wrong ... we r globalised ... we have to speak hindi ..... in our final exams for MBBS, the all indian students [ who donot know marathi even after 4 yrs in mumbai ] can ask for change in patient cause the patient speaks marathi and they cant understand what the patient says ..... what irony !!
UK , USA kicking out engg saying its too much outsourcing is ok ...... when marathi people do it , its bad ....
we have lots to think about Mr sachin , a lot ... and if we dont get it NOW , rest assured , marathi will become extinct like the sanskrit .... and we will be telling our grandchildren " humare time main hum marathi may baat karte thein " .....
guess how will i tell my grand children the story of "mhatari ani ticha bhopla " in hindi .... [ hope u know the story ?? or have we forgotten even that ... chal re bhoplaya tunuk tunuk ]
हिंदी नको, इंग्रजी हवी!
पहिली गोष्ट - हिंदी ही 'राष्ट्रभाषा' हा चुकीचा समज़ व चुकीचा शब्दप्रयोग आहे. भारतीय संविधानात कोणतीही एकच एक भाषा अशी राष्ट्रभाषा म्हणून दिलेली नाही. आठव्या अनुसूचीत मराठीसह बावीस भाषा या scheduled languages म्हणून आहेत त्या सर्व राष्ट्रभाषाच आहेत. इंग्रजी व हिंदी या फक्त संघराज्याच्या 'कार्यालयीन भाषा' (official languages) आहेत.
दुसरी गोष्ट - तमिळनाडू व नागालँडमधील लोकांना इंग्रजी ही ज़र परकी भाषा असेल तर हिंदी हीही तितकीच परकी आहे. भारतातील पन्नास टक्क्यांहून कमी लोक हिंदी बोलतात. म्हणजे हिंदी ही तर बहुसंख्यांचीही भाषा नव्हे! केवळ निवडणुकीत मतदान करणाऱ्यांपैकी जास्ती लोकांचा पाठिंबा असल्याने जिंकून येण्यातला हा प्रकार आहे. आणि हे असे होण्याचे कारण जेव्हा कार्यालयीन भाषा ठरवली गेली तेव्हा अनेक उमेदवार भाषा होत्या. आज़ही ज़र केवळ हिंदी व इंग्रजी अशा भाषांमधून निवडायची वेळ आली, तर इंग्रजी सहज़पणे जिंकेल! (आणि इंग्रजी पंधरा वर्षेच वापरण्याची मूळची तरतूद सतत मुदतवाढ मिळवत आज़ अठ्ठावन्न वर्षे झाली तरी इंग्रजी ही अधिकृत कार्यालयीन भाषा म्हणून संविधानात आहे हे त्याचेच निर्देशक आहे!)
तिसरी गोष्ट - इंग्रजी ही भारतासाठी परकी भाषा आहे का याचा विचार करण्याची वेळ आली आहे. (आणि मी इथे भारत म्हणून फक्त उत्तर भारताचा आणि महाराष्ट्राचा विचार मांडत नाही, तर दक्षिण व पूर्व भारताचाही समावेश करत आहे. अंदमान किंवा मिज़ोराम किंवा तमिळनाडू किंवा प. बंगाल यांच्यासाठी हिंदी अधिक परकी की इंग्रजी? हिंदी अधिक जुन्या परिचयाची की इंग्रजी?)
चौथी गोष्ट - महाराष्ट्रासाठी हिंदीला प्रेमाने आलिंगन देत राहाणे हे ऐतिहासिकदृष्ट्या नेहमीच तोट्याचे ठरत आले आहे. केवळ मराठी हीच अशी भाषा आहे की जिची लिपी हिंदीशी ज़वळपास तंतोतंत ज़ुळते. त्यामुळे हिंदीभाषकांना महाराष्ट्रात व्यवहार करणे अत्यंत सोपे ज़ाते. परिणामतः त्यांना इथे राहाताना मराठी न शिकणेही सहज़ चालून ज़ाते, आणि त्यांना स्थलांतरे करण्यासाठी (अर्थातच पोटापाण्यासाठी) महाराष्ट्र हे सर्वांत सोयीस्कर राज्य बनते.
त्यात पुन्हा आपण म्हणजे राष्ट्रप्रेमाचा उमाळा अति झालेले लोक! हिंदीचा राष्ट्रभाषा म्हणून उदोउदो दिल्लीतही होत नाही तितका महाराष्ट्राच्या गल्लीबोळात होतो. राष्ट्रभाषा प्रचार समितीचे मुख्य कार्यालय अन्य कुठल्याही अहिंदीभाषक राज्याने स्वतःमध्ये स्थापन होवू दिले नसते, पण आलिंगने द्यायला आपण पुढे, त्यामुळे ते महाराष्ट्रात!
शिवाय आपल्याकडे 'माय मरो पण मावशी ज़गो' अशी म्हण! त्यामुळे मायमराठी मेली तरी चालेल, पण आपली मावशी 'राष्ट्रभाषा' हिंदी ज़गली पाहिजे यासाठी आटापीटा! तिच्याविरुद्ध ज़रा कोणी काही शब्द काढले की तो 'राष्ट्रविरोधी' आणि मराठी वाचवण्यासाठी कुणी आवाज़ चढवला की तो 'पुराणमतवादी', 'ढोंगी', 'प्रादेशिकतावादी', 'फुटिरतावादी'!
"मराठीचा आग्रह धरणाऱ्यांचे 'हाथ तोड देंगे'" अशी भाषणे अबू आज़मी वगैरे लोक जाहीर सभेत खुलेआम करतात, आणि आपण त्यांना खुशाल रस्त्यावरून फिरू देतो!
तिकडे आसामात रेल्वे भरतीच्या मुद्द्यावरून बिहाऱ्यांना ज़गणे मुश्किल केले होते, रक्तपात झाला, पण इथे शिवसेनेने रेल्वे अधिकाऱ्यांच्या कार्यालयात ज़ावून मोडतोड केली म्हणून आपणच तिला असंस्कृत, अराष्ट्रीय, संकुचित वृत्तीची म्हणून नावे ठेवणार!
अगदी मंत्रिमंडळातही गृहराज्यमंत्रिपदासारखे पद उत्तर प्रदेशातून आयात केलेल्या हिंदी व्यक्तीला द्यावे लागावे इतकी त्यांची ताकद, पण आम्ही मात्र 'आओ, आओ, आपका ही घर समझो!'
हिंदी भाषक लोक हे केवळ भाषा आणत नाहीत, तर त्यांची संस्कृतीही आणतात. (अर्थातच सर्वच भाषक लोकांनी हे केले आहे.)
दाक्षिणात्य लोकांनीही त्यांची संस्कृती आणली, परंतु ती महाराष्ट्राच्या मूळ संस्कृतीच्या प्रकृतीशी काही थोडीफार तरी ज़ुळणारी, प्रगतिशील, पुरोगामी व सहिष्णू होती. मुख्य म्हणजे पूर्वीची जी स्थलांतरे झाली, त्यांतून आलेले लोक हे स्थानिक संस्कृतीविषयी काही किमान आदर बाळगणारे होते, तिच्यात सामावून ज़ाण्याचा प्रयत्न करणारे होते. (बटाट्याच्या चाळीतली दक्षिण भारतीय पात्रे परकी का वाटत नाहीत त्याचे हे कारण आहे.) आणि एकूणच आपण ज्या प्रांतांत स्थलांतर करून राहात आहोत, तिथे मिळून मिसळून राहाणे, तेथील स्थानिक प्रथापरंपरांविषयी आदर बाळगणे आणि तो दाखवणे, तेथील लोकांशी त्यांच्या भाषेत संवाद साधण्याचा प्रयत्न करणे ही सुसंस्कृतपणाची लक्षणे आहेत. सुसंस्कृतपणा सोडून द्या हवे तर, पण व्यवहार म्हणून तरी तो शहाणपणा आहे. तसे न केल्यास स्थानिकांच्या असंतोषाला तोंड द्यावे लागतेच, मग तो देश अगदी बहुसांस्कृतिकतेचा टेंभा मिरवणारा ब्रिटन असो, किंवा आपल्या संस्कृतीविषयी आग्रही असणारा फ्रान्स असो, किंवा आपली म्हणून काही संस्कृती निर्माण करायचा प्रयत्न करणारा अमेरिका असो. (फक्त महाराष्ट्र वगळून. कारण आम्ही भारतीय आधी, आणि मराठी नंतर! - उद्या भारताचे तुकडे होवून सर्व राज्ये ज़र स्वतंत्र झाली, तर महाराष्ट्राची जाज्ज्वल्य दिल्लीनिष्ठा इतकी आहे, की आपण आपलेच नामकरण 'भारत' असे करून घेवू आणि दिल्लीतील ज़ो कोणी राज्यकर्ता असेल त्याच्या पायी आपल्या निष्ठा विनाअट अर्पण करू! - ऐतिहासिक परंपरा! शिवाजीमहाराज, थोरले बाजीराव, लोकमान्य आणि थोड्याफार प्रमाणात शरद पवार सोडले, तर आमचे सगळे नेते हे शाहू महाराज (सातारचे) किंवा यशवंतरावांच्या पठडीतलेच - दिल्लीपती म्हणजे वैकुंठापतीचा अवतार मानणारे!)
महाराष्ट्रात दोनचारच वर्षे राहायला आलेले, नोकरीनिमित्त, बदली होवून तात्पुरते राहाण्याचा उद्देश असणारे लोक येथील भाषा बोलू इच्छित नाहीत, शिकत नाहीत हे एक वेळ समज़ण्यासारखे आहे; पण पाचपाच, दहादहा वर्षे इथे राहाणारे लोकही मराठी शिकत नाहीत हे त्यांना, आणि ते तसे न बोलता सहज़ सन्मानाने इथे राहू शकतात, समृद्धी मिळवू शकतात हे आपल्याला लज्जास्पद आहे!
पाचवी गोष्ट - महाराष्ट्राचा, विशेषतः मुंबईचा (परंतु केवळ मुंबईचा नव्हे) गेल्या काही वर्षांचा घटना-आलेख पाहिला की महाराष्ट्रातील समाजजीवनात व राजकारणात होत असलेली घसरण आणि तेथे होत असलेले हिंदी भाषकांचे स्थलांतर यांतील संबंध सहज़ उघड होतो.
हिंदी प्रांतांतील लोकांची संस्कृती ही लाठीची आहे. कायद्याविषयी, व्यवस्थेविषयी तुच्छता, पुराणमतवाद, समाजव्यवस्थेच्या उतरंडीतील आपल्या खालच्या पायऱ्यांवरील लोकांवर अन्याय करण्याचा हक्क इ. तिची वैशिष्ट्ये आहेत (ही काही केवळ ढोबळ सामान्यीकरणे नाहीत, पुढे यांचे स्पष्टीकरण आहे - ) आणि ती तेथील प्रांतांत व तेथील प्रगतिदरात दिसून येतातच.
आर्थिक प्रगती ही सामाजिक घटकांवर अवलंबून असते, ज़ातिविषमता, स्त्रीस्वातंत्र्य, साक्षरता, लिंग गुणोत्तर इ. बाबी आर्थिक प्रगतीवर थेट परिणाम करतात हे आता पूर्णतः मान्य केले गेलेले आहे. किंबहुना सामाजिक प्रगतीचे निर्देशांक हे आर्थिक प्रगतीच्या निर्देशांकांची चाल ठरवतात. आणि उत्तर भारतीय राज्यांमध्ये या दोन्ही आघाड्यांवर उजेड आहे. त्याचे खापर केवळ दिवट्या राज्यकर्त्यांवर फोडण्यात अर्थ नाही. तसे राज्यकर्ते तिथे वर्षानुवर्षे का निवडून येत राहातात आणि महाराष्ट्रासह दक्षिणी राज्यांवर तशी पाळी का येत नाही, केवळ त्या विशिष्ट राज्यांवरच का येते याचा विचार करायची गरज़ आहे.
उदा. केवळ दक्षिण भारताचा (महाराष्ट्रासह) आर्थिक विकासदर घेतला तर तो दहा टक्क्यांच्याही वर ज़ातो, परंतु उत्तरेकडील राज्यांमुळे तो सहापर्यंत खाली खेचला ज़ातो. आणखी शिवाय वर ती राज्ये आर्थिक व सामाजिकदृष्या मागास आहेत म्हणून योजना आयोग त्यांना अधिक साह्य देतो आणि आं.प्र., महाराष्ट्र, कर्नाटक अशा राज्यांना मात्र त्यांच्या प्रगत असण्याबाबत शिक्षा केली ज़ाते.
तर या अशा मागासलेपणामागची एक संस्कृती हिंदी लोकांच्या प्रभावासोबत महाराष्ट्रात आणली ज़ाते.
सहावी गोष्ट - मराठी लोकांच्या आळशीपणाबाबत, त्यांच्या हलकी कामे करायला तयार नसण्याच्या वृत्तीबाबत, त्यांच्या अंतर्दृष्टीबाबत भरपूर तक्रारी करता येतील, पण त्यासाठी बाहेरून असे स्थानिक संस्कृतीविषयी कणभरही आदर नसणारे लोक आणणे हे उत्तर नव्हे.
महाराष्ट्रातील लोक कसे महाराष्ट्राबाहेर पडत नाहीत आणि उत्तर भारतीय लोक कसे शिकायला कुठेही ज़ातात, नोकरीसाठी फिरायला तयार असतात, म्हणून खूप कावकाव केली ज़ाते. पण याचे कारण हे की मराठी माणसाने महाराष्ट्रातच अशी व्यवस्था निर्माण केली आहे की त्यात तो प्रगती करू शकतो. आम्ही उत्तम शिक्षणसंस्था उभारल्या आहेत, उद्योगधंदे इथे यायला उत्सुक असतात, इथले सामाजिक व राजकीय वातावरण नवीन उद्योग उभारायला पोषक आहे त्यामुळे इथे कारखाने व सेवाउद्योग भरभराटीला येतात, इथे स्त्रियांना सन्मान मिळतो, त्या रस्त्यावरून एकट्या फिरू शकतात, संपत्तीचे कमालीचे विषम वाटप इथे नाही, सरंजामशाही नाही, मग आम्ही महाराष्ट्र सोडून कुठल्या तरी बुरसटलेल्या भागात ज़ायची गरज़च काय?
जेव्हा गरज़ भासली तेव्हा ती मराठी माणसाला स्वतःला भासली, इतरांनी त्याला उपदेश करायची गरज़ पडली नाही. अमेरिकेत काय किंवा बेंगलोर, हैद्राबादेत काय नव्या अर्थव्यवस्थेतील उद्योगधंद्यांत कामे करण्यासाठी ज़ाताना मराठी माणसाने कांकू केले नाही.
आणि मुळातच, इथले मराठी लोक हलकी कामे करायला तयार नाहीत, याचे उत्तर परके, समाजविघातक, प्रगतिविरोधी दृष्टिकोन असणारे लोक बाहेरून आणून मिळणार नाही. उपलब्ध मनुष्यबळ हेच आपला नोकरीबाज़ार (job-market) आहे असे समज़ून त्यातील जे काही बाज़ारदर आहेत ते मान्य करायची आपण तयारी दाखवली पाहिजे. म्हणजे मग मराठी लोकही मिळतील. त्याहून महत्त्वाचे म्हणजे ती कामे हलकी न राहाता मनुष्यश्रमांची योग्य ती किंमत करायला लागल्याचे श्रेय आपल्याला मिळेल! जगात सर्व अप्रगत राष्ट्रांत ही 'हलकी' कामे स्वस्तात होतात, तर प्रगत राष्ट्रांत ती कामे स्वतः करावी लागतात किंवा मोलाने करून घ्यायची तर चांगलेच मोल करावे लागते!
सातवी गोष्ट - भारतासाठी एक व्यवहार करायला समाईक भाषा असणे गरज़ेचे आहेच. पण मग ती हिंदी का म्हणून? म्हणजे आधी हिंदी या समान पायावर सर्व राज्ये आणायची, त्यात एक अर्धे शतक घालवायचे, आणि मग जागतिक व्यवहारांना सोयीचे म्हणून इंग्रजीकडे वळायचे हा द्राविडी प्राणायाम कशाला? (इथे हा 'द्राविडी' प्राणायाम हा शब्द कसा विशेष मजा आणतो!) जी जागतिक व्यवहाराची आणि प्रगतीची भाषा इंग्रजी तिचाच आधीपासून स्वीकार का नको? आपण हिंदीचा पुरता स्वीकार करेपर्यंत स्पर्धात्मक जग काय स्वस्थ वाट पाहात बसणार आहे काय? तिकडे चीन आणि जपान इंग्रजीचा स्वीकार करत आहेत, युरोपियन युनियनने इंग्रजी स्वीकारली आहे आणि आपण मात्र आधी अख्ख्या भारतासाठी एक भाषेच्या बाता करत आहोत.
आठवी गोष्ट - तमिळनाडू, कर्नाटक अशी राज्ये व ईशान्य भारत नजीकच्या कित्येक वर्षांत हिंदी स्वीकारणार नाहीत हे स्पष्ट आहे. दक्षिण भारताची आर्थिक प्रगती ही भारतातील (महाराष्ट्र वगळता) अन्य राज्यांच्या तुलनेत नेत्रदीपक आहे.
अशा परिस्थितीत महाराष्ट्रानेच एकट्याने हिंदीचा पुरस्कार करून बिहार, म.प्र., राजस्थान, उ.प्र. अशा बिमारू हिंदीभाषक राज्यांच्या मार्गाला ज़ायचे आहे की कर्नाटक, तमिळनाडू, आं.प्र अशा विकसनशील राज्यांप्रमाणे स्वभाषा व इंग्रजी यांचा पुरस्कार करून स्वतःची ठसठशीत ओळख निर्माण करून, दिल्लीच्या दारातले कुत्रे व्हायचे नाकारून जागतिक दर्जाचा विकास साधायचा आहे हा प्रश्नही उद्भवता कामा नये. अन्यथा सध्याचे आपले पुरोगामी स्थान आपल्याला दक्षिण भारतीय राज्यांकडे द्यावे लागेल.
तेव्हा 'राजापेक्षा राजनिष्ठ' अशा न्यायाने हिंदीचा पुरस्कार करायचे आपण थांबवले पाहिजे, अन्यथा ते महाराष्ट्राच्या व मराठी संस्कृतीच्या मुळावर येईल.
नववी गोष्ट - यात काहीही अराष्ट्रीयता किंवा फुटिरतावाद नाही. भारताचे स्वरूपच असे आहे की इथे अमुक एकच भाषा, धर्म, संस्कृती असा हट्ट धरणे म्हणजे भारताच्या प्रगतीमध्ये खीळ घालणे आहे. त्यापेक्षा आहेत त्या विभिन्नतांसह एकत्र राहाणे हे हितावह आहे.
उलट हिंदीचा पुरस्कार करून, उत्तर भारतीय हिंदीभाषक राज्यांच्या मागे वाहात ज़ाण्याने भारतातील एका मोठ्या विकसित राज्याचे नुकसान होणार आहे, आणि पर्यायाने ते भारताचेही नुकसान असणार आहे. सध्या किमान महाराष्ट्राचा विकास हा बिमारू राज्यांना उठते करण्यासाठी उपयोगी पडत आहे; उद्या महाराष्ट्रही आज़ारी पडला तर भारताचा एक कमावता सदस्य कमी होईल व नुसतीच खाती तोंडे वाढतील. त्यापेक्षा दक्षिण भारतीय राज्यांच्या मार्गाने ज़ाऊन महाराष्ट्र भारताला अधिक विकसित करण्यातच मदत करू शकेल.
तेव्हा एक मराठी महाराष्ट्र, समर्थ महाराष्ट्र हा भारताला समर्थ करायला हातभारच लावू शकतो. आपल्यायेथील कार्यसंस्कृती (work culture), सामाजिक व आर्थिक प्रगती आपण टिकवून धरली, तर भविष्यात कधी तरी आपण त्या उत्तर भारतीय राज्यांना देण्याची, शिकवण्याची आशा तरी बाळगू शकतो. आपणच ज़र उत्तर भारतीयांच्या नादाला लागून त्या गोष्टी आज़च सोडून दिल्या, तर भारताला वाचवायला मग इंग्रजीभाषक व स्वभाषाभिमानी दाक्षिणात्य राज्येच फक्त शिल्लक राहातील!
दहावी गोष्ट - आपला देश म्हणजे एकच संघराज्य आहे, आणि सर्वांना सर्वत्र ज़ावून राहायचा अधिकार आहे वगैरे सर्व बडबड सभेत किंवा संसदेत ठीक आहे. वास्तव असे आहे की या धोरणाचा सर्वाधिक तोटा हा केवळ महाराष्ट्रालाच होतो. अन्य कुठल्या राज्याला नव्हे.
नोकरीच्या शोधात रानोमाळ भटकणारे थवे येवून थडकतात ते महाराष्ट्रात! कारण महाराष्ट्र हा एकदम स्वागततत्पर असतो. तो प्रथम हिंदीतूनच बोलायला सुरुवात करतो. शिवाय देवनागरी लिपीही वापरतो. मग या थव्यांना त्यांची भाषा बदलायची किंवा इथल्या स्थानिक संस्कृतीत मिसळण्याची काहीच गरज़ नसते. उलट आपली संस्कृतीच त्यांना ठासून मांडता येते. (हल्ली महाराष्ट्रात रंगपंचमी साज़री होत नाही, होळी होते. इतकेच काय, आता काही ठिकाणी करवा चौथही साज़री केली ज़ाते! कुणी म्हणेल हे फक्त पुणे, मुंबई, नाशिक इथले चित्र आहे, अन्यत्र नाही. - तर लक्षात घ्या, आधी ते फक्त मुंबईत होते, आता इतर शहरांत पसरते आहे. जसे जसे हिंदी भाषक अन्य शहरांत घुसत ज़ातील तसे तसे अन्यत्रही हे वाढेल!)
तर अशा प्रकारे महाराष्ट्रात राहाणे हे हिंदीभाषकांना एकदम सोयीचे, सुखाचे असते.
फार काय, अगदी महाराष्ट्रीय लोकही - ज़से विदर्भातले, नागपूरकडचे - हिंदीचाच वाढता वापर करतात तेव्हा ते 'पूर्वी मध्यप्रांतात होते' असे म्हणून आपण त्यांना 'समज़ून' घेतो! तिथल्या हिंदी लॉबीचे नेतृत्व असलेली स्वतंत्र विदर्भ चळवळ आपल्याला अहितकारी वाटत नाही! (आणि त्याउलट एकदा महाजन आयोगाने बेळगाव, धारवाड, कारवारबद्दलचा निर्णय अंतिम करून टाकला, की तो तेथील लोकांवर कितीही अन्यायकारक असला, तरी कर्नाटक त्याची अगदी मनापासून अंमलबजावणी करते, आणि तिथला कन्नड टक्का कसा वाढेल याचे पद्धतशीर प्रयत्न करते! महाराष्ट्र मोठाच उदार ना! उदार की बिनकण्याचा?!)
याउलट चेन्नई किंवा बेंगलोर अशा शहरांत राहायचे म्हणजे वैताग! तिथे व्यवहार करायचे तर तिथली भाषा/लिपी यायला पाहिजे, नाही तर इंग्रजी थोडीशी तरी यायला पाहिजे. हिंदीवरही काम भागू शकते, पण मग सतत "तुम्ही परके आहात" असे दर्शवणारी स्थानिक लोकांची नज़र बोचत राहाते.
त्यापेक्षा मुंबई, नाशिक, पुणे बरी.. आणि उद्या अशीच सातारा, कोल्हापूर, सांगली, सोलापूर, लातूर, औरंगाबाद हीही!
तेव्हा अशा सर्व कारणांमुळे महाराष्ट्रात हट्ट हवा तो मराठीचा. आणि परभाषिकांशी बोलताना इंग्रजीचा.
महाराष्ट्राने स्वतःला उंबरठ्यावरचे न समज़ता दक्षिण भारतीय समज़ले पाहिजे आणि संघराज्यासंदर्भातल्या सर्व आर्थिक, भाषिक व राजकीय बाबींत त्या राज्यांप्रमाणेच आचरण ठेवले पाहिजे.
अर्थातच यात ढोंगीपणा काहीही न दाखवता, परप्रांतांत/परदेशांत राहाणाऱ्या मराठी लोकांनीही तेथील स्थानिक संस्कृतीचा आदर केला पाहिजे, तेथील भाषा शिकण्याचा प्रामाणिक प्रयत्न केला पाहिजे हे ओघाने आलेच. कारण एकूणच स्थानिकांच्या असंतोषाला (backlash) आपण कारणीभूत होवू नये असे वागण्यात शहाणपणा, सुसंस्कृतपणा व ज़बाबदारपणा आहे.
(वरील सर्व स्पष्टीकरणात मुंबईला महाराष्ट्राचा भाग मानलेले नाही. मुंबई ही आता दुर्दैवाने मराठी नाही. तेव्हा तिला विसराच. पण उर्वरित महाराष्ट्राला तरी वाचवण्यासाठी हिंदी टाळायला हवी!)
@Avinash
Given your comments i beleive you should join the campaign for declaring Maharashtra a seperate country. Coz quite frankly the ideology that u follow does not have any room for any one else.
Educational institutions make a language compulsary to learn as it is the mode of education, i.e the language in which the studies are held.
Its similar to a toefel exam that u have to clear that checks your English proficieny if u have to go study abroad so that u dnt have any trouble following what is taught in the class.
Its just silly to link the two.
If u dnt want to study in that institution there are other options available, within the same state. There is room for everybody that way .....
For ur Outsourcing related stuff:
US outsources and sends our engg back coz they are not americans and safeguards its own citizens ....
u want to take it astep further and commit hate crimes against Indian citizens because they are not Maharashtrians...
Thats just rubbish !!!!
Remember that u are an indian first and then belong to a particular state or a religion.
During riots, does a bihari army man refuses to save a Marathi because they are not from the same state ....
And what newspaper do you read..or TV channel do you see ...
While the hate speeches and instigations of that Gunda Raj thakre has been well documented in Media and newspapers...Where do you see Laloo making the same or instigating !!!!He hasn't made any statements accept for reacting to what has happened..condemned the violence and said nothing about dire consequences to marthis as Raj has threatened to North Indians ... Just like those disgusting MNS people have attributed to violence IN Mumbai, similar elements were at work in Bihar ....
U will always find black sheeps among the crowd.
During riots, people like u n me sit at home ...
We dnt go out and burn other peoples home,all these things are done by thugs and political gundas and hooligans..
The people (North Indians) u are talking about here are like us.
At least don't sensationalize without giving facts !!!!
I pity the dire state of affairs that prevails here in maharashtra.... now , i never wanted to make this blog a personal fight between me and someone , but given the comments regarding my views , it becomes extremely essential to clarify my points .....
1] NO MAHARASHTRIAN will ever want MAHARASHTRA to be declared a separate country ... hope u know the list of states that wanted to remain an autonomous bodies after independence ..... i assure u NO one here in maharashtra ever wanted to be separate from india , no one ever will want maharashtra to be separate .... we all cheer when sachin hits a century , when sehwag does it , ganguly does it, when kumble takes 5 wickets or say abhinav bindra strikes Gold , when malleshwari won the medal , when pillai was on a roll in hockey ... we r one and we INDIANS will remain one ..... and let me assure u , come what may , Maharashtra will always remain an integral part of INDIA. WE CHEER FOR INDIA.
2] As for NIMHANS ka example i gave u , i pity the people who donot know anything about the institute and still feel they have the authority to comment on it ..... all i meant was , being a NATIONAL LEVEL INSTITUTE , if that can have a regional inclination , why cant we as maharashtrians have the same , why is that termed wrong ??? Oh , and for the information of general public .. NIMHANS is THE BEST FOR MCh Neurosurgery , a place any aspiring Neurosurgeon will work doubly hard to get into , and we are taught in english at NIMHANS and not in the local language !!! the compulsion for local language is to facilitate communication between the local population and the doctors , and i support this , this is so very essential [ this problem never arises in Mumbai or maharashtra , cause we are "INDIAN " enough to know the so called national language ]...
3]I guess nowhere has in this entire blog ANYONE ever supported the violence , and neither did I , and as u all must be knowing , the problem of the immigrants has been since the time of independence , no incidence in 50 yrs after that shows HOW TOLERANT is the marathi manoos ..... now if he is reacting this way ..... think WHY and not just think its wrong ..... we all know for sure , killing , beating anyone , any form of violence is bad and has to be punished , but if we have reached this stage , then for 50 yrs and more , we have done nothing to recoganise the problem and solve it .... this is a warning for people like me and u and all the learned in maharashtra .... if we dont solve this problem now , if we dont stop this divide created by the railway board , and other institutes towards us maharashtrains ...... maharashtra can become Assam , and DO WE WANT THAT ??? i guess not .....
4]For the bihari army man thing written on this blog .... should i provide u all with the list of Marathi Manoos who saved numerous people from the NORTH INDIA during this rampage by the angry people ?? [some may call this publicity stunt by Raj thakrey , unfortunately , elections are pretty far off , and this wont work for him , and this has happened after all the legal measures were taken by MNS , like requesting the railways for Ads in Marathi papers ]
5] which newspapers do u read people !!! i guess not the ones i follow !!.. amar singh saying what will happen if 20 Cr muslims get on road what will happen to Hindus [he isnt a terrorist naa , he isnt dividing the people of INDIA on religion] , Abu Azmi saying we will distribute lathis if people complain against Biharis [ he is a noble man , and just another member of the SIMI , innocent chap ] , Same Mr Azmi saying , we will not allow work to be carried in govt offices in marathi and that it will only n only be carried out in Hindi [ he isnt a terrorist , neither is he dividing people , nor hurting the sentiments of the entire maharashtra ]... and who knows that laloo prasad yadav Sahab and his co- MP from north india brought the entire parliament to a standstill .. wasted INDIANS ka paisa on WALKOUTS ??? ever heard a MARATHI MP WALK OUT OVER THESE ISSUE ?? now why should laloo be penalised , for that matter why should any MP from north india be penalised ...... ever heard of this ??? anyone ??? hummm guess we all tune into times of india which was always a western newspaper.... guess i will post the names of major stake holders of these news papers in next post
FINALLY , let me end my comments by saying , none of us is against getting a seat in mumbai ka college on basis of merit , we dont deny the fact that we r indians first ..... but what if someone bangs into ur home BY FORCE [ur distant relative say ] and uses ur towel , ur bathroom , ur tooth brush ... maybe ur clothes ... how long are u going to remain tolerant about this !!! a day will arrive when i would have said , " raho , magar mere tarike se , aapni dadagiri apne ghar batao " ... wouldnt u ??
OH and some one forgot to tell me the blogs that i wanted to kno .... say hindi made compulsory in nonhindi speaking states ... we all are waiting desperately for one such blog !!
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@Avinash
No, i don't have the list of states who want to declare the regions as a seperate country, but i do have the list of groups and other separatists who want to declare these regions as such.
By stating the above line i want to cement a single fact: The ideology of a single group does not identify that of the whole state and its people.
Why do you keep branding the entire commmunity with labels when a few people do that with having only political propaganda in mind.
Marathis are not the only tolerant people and Maharashtra is not the only economically developing state u knw.Other states like Punjab and delhi, the NCR region are also booming. Do you see them whining my friend about the increasing burden of the biharis, marathis or bengalis.
Why are we being such a crybaby about it ????
I feel the need to oppose this as that level so that my worst fear, these hate waves burning the entire state does not come true..
And even if it has not started it surley has had a very animated beginning in Mumbai...
You said that you would cheer the Sachin's, The Ganguli's of this country, but if they would like to get a job and settle down you would be the first one to throw them out of this state.
What kind of hippocracy is this ????
As for your NIMHANS thing, i am not a doctor, but from a generalist point of view being a garduate and having a M.Tech after that, i tink i am in a comfortable position to commnet about the Education system of our country.
Every university has to follow a minimum of standards laid down by the law of this country, in addition to that it can add clauses to its governing structure that are region, owner or trust specific.The education system of our country is such that all the communities can get education in all the states
If they want the education to be given in a particular language then its their wish, similar to me going out and opening a marathi board school.Would you say i am discriminating against other communities just because i am not giving instructions in HINDI OR TAMIL.There are other options available in every state.
If a south indian comes to Delhi, no one speaks his language , so he learns Hindi to survive.
I was with Accenture in Chennai and learned a few words to survive there.Its just a matter of adaptability and doing the bare minimum to survive.
If i can live in Mumbai by not speaking marathi, i would not put the extra effort, and that makes Mumbai such a gr8 place , an amlgamtion of all the cultures "Unity in Diversity". Does it mean i dnt respect Marathi language or Marathi culture ???
If i go back to my opening a school, should i burn all the englis/hindi non marathi schools to propgate my own Marathi agenda ?
The point is to popularise your own morals, while similarly allowing others to do the same.
A peaceful principle of co-existence that is the foundation of this country.
Why are we so scared of other people celebrating their own culture !!!!!
If 15 bihari families would come and reside in my society would they convert me into a Bihari!!!
Is that what u are afraid of !!!
Again and again u mention u are against violence, but whatever u write indicates, that given a chance u will fall nothing short of a fist fight to gt what u want.
Maharshtra is your home, but it is also the home of sevral other christians, hindus, sikhs , tamils and all the other indians who live here or hope to make it their home.
U can demand your rights in a peaceful way but you have no right to deny these people their right that was handed down to them by the law of this country.
We are not above the law and should drop the mentality to go above it .....
Just because our Railway Minister happens to be a Bihari, the issue is being restricted to railway jobs and how we are not getting our share.
in what other sector do we face competition from them ???
Jobs in MNC, municipal corporation, Maharashtar Police service, and what not !!!!
If u know of a term called "Domicile" you would know that if a non Maharastrian has stayed in the state for a fixed number of years he and you are on the same page and will face equal competition without any special considerartion given to any of you.
This is true for all the states.
Rather than whining about what we are not getting because of this competition ....
We should rise up, develop our aptitude and let the results speak for themselves.
Aur mere bhai, ek baat bata, aisi kaunsi khabar tumne padhi aur maine miss kardi jismein biharion ne mumbai mein danga machaya !!!!!
Yaar koi tere bathroom mein nhi ghusna chah raha, woh log toh apna bathroom banana chahte hain :)
And brother i did not get ur last commnet "OH and some one forgot to tell me the blogs that i wanted to kno .... say hindi made compulsory in nonhindi speaking states ... we all are waiting desperately for one such blog !!"
Guess i must have missed it but what info did u request???
I have read almost all the comments posted on the timesofindia website that was forwarded to us all by Mr gaurav .... thanks for that , but it was disappointing to read all the comments ... majority of the comments are from people who are not living in India .... well and they consider themselves "learned" enough to comment on the local issues ....
we need to have a hearty laugh on this matter .....
as promised , i m posting the major stakes holder for the leading news channels and papers ... its open to confirmation by all those who doubt this .....
the email goes like this
Can You believe this?The whole country and the world is fed with disinformation and we like fools believe these on their face value.How sad.
Really makes a disturbing reading
Recent
Gujrat election have witnessed unaccountable money paid to media
persons of both, print and electronic by Saudi Arabia to discredit
Modi and the Hindutva forces, which Media did very faithfully without
success.
There are several major publishing groups in India, the most prominent
among them being the Times of India Group,the Indian Express Group,
the Hindustan Times Group, The Hindu group, the Anandabazar Patrika
Group, the Eenadu Group, the Malayalam Manorama Group, the Mathrubhumi
group, the Sahara group, the Bhaskar group,and the Dainik Jagran
group.
Let us see the ownership of different media agencies.
NDTV: A very popular TV news media is funded by Gospels of Charity in
Spain. Supports Communism.. Recently it has developed a soft corner
towards Pakistan because Pakistan President has allowed only this
channel to be aired in Pakistan. Indian CEO Prannoy Roy is co-brother
of Prakash Karat, General Secretary of the Communist party of India.
His wife and Brinda Karat are sisters.
India Today which used to be the only national weekly who supported
BJP is now bought by NDTV!! Since then the tone has changed
drastically and turned into Hindu bashing..
CNN-IBN: This is 100 percent funded by Southern Baptist Church with
its branches in all over the world with HQ in US. The Church annually
allocates $800 million for promotion of its channel. Its Indian head
is Rajdeep Sardesai and his wife Sagarika Ghosh.
Times group list:
Times Of India, Nav-Bharth Times, Stardust , Femina, VijayaTimes,
Vijaya Karnataka, Times now (24- hour news channel) and many more..
Times Group is owned by Bennet & Coleman. 'World Christian Council'
does 80 percent of the Funding, and an Englishman and an Italian
equally share balance 20 percent. The Italian Robertio Mindo is a
close relative of Sonia Gandhi.
Star TV: It is run by an Australian, who is supported by St. Peters
Pontifical Church Melbourne.
Hindustan Times: Owned by Birla Group, but hands have changed since
Shobana Bhartiya took over. Presently it is working in Collaboration
with Times Group.
The Hindu:
English daily, started over 125 years has been recently taken over by
Joshua Society, Berne, Switzerland and N. Ram's wife is a Swiss
national.
Indian Express: Divided into two groups. The Indian Express and The
New Indian Express (southern edition). ACTS Christian Ministries have
major stake in the Indian Express and latter is still with the Indian
counterpart..
Eeenadu: Still to date controlled by an Indian named Ramoji Rao.
Ramoji Rao is connected with film industry and owns a huge studio in
Andhra Pradesh.
Andhra Jyothi: The Muslim party of Hyderabad known as MIM along with a
Congress Minister has purchased this Telugu daily very recently.
The Statesman: It is controlled by Communist Party of India.
Kairali TV: It is controlled by Communist party of India (Marxist)
Mathrubhoomi: Leaders of Muslim League and Communist leaders have
major investment.
Asian Age and Deccan Chronicle: Is owned by a Saudi Arabian Company
with its Chief Editor M.J. Akbar.
Gujrat riots which took place in 2002 where Hindus were burnt alive,
Rajdeep Sardesai and Bharkha Dutt working for Star TV at that time got
around $5m from Saudi Arabia to cover only Muslim victims which they
did very faithfully. Not a single Hindu family was interviewed or
shown on TV who's near and dear ones had been burnt alive, it is
reported
Tarun Tejpal of Tehelka.com regularly gets flat check from Arab
countries to target BJP and Hindus only, it is said. The ownership
explains the control of media in India by foreigners. The result is
obvious.
PONDER OVER THIS. NOW YOU KNOW WHY EVERY ONE IS AGAINST TRUTH, HOW VERY SAD..
Please pass this on to as many as possible. Let them know who feeds
them with biased news and information- yet call themselves secular.
@ Sachin
Sir , this blog is no fighting place for u and me , but since we r talking like two people obsessed with our own point of view , lemme clear my point of views too ....
The ideology of a single group does not identify that of the whole state and its people. As u correctly wrote ... me saying something or u doing the same doesnt mean the society follows us ... but the incidences point where the society is going .... and as intellectuals we can only think why !!!! why do u feel we are reacting so badly ???
humm maharashtra isnt the only growing state ... sure ... hopefully u have the stats to prove ur points ... guess who gives the max in terms of taxes !!! Laloo ji can hold a railway board exams in mumbai , give free tickets for travelling !!! thats so nice of him !!! hopefully u travel by the mumbai trains !!!! and as u r so good in stats , u will definitely know that we provide maximum income to indian railways !!! why do we still have this problem of train congestion , rail accidents , delay in trains , lesser number of trains ??? what kinda bias is this ?? doesnt mumbai need a metro ?? the skybus project ??? why do we mumbaikars suffer ???
humm other states dont complain , n we cry like babies !!!! agreed , it seems all of a sudden we have lost the tolerance ..... how many biharis have u seen in chennai ??? compare that with mumbai .... why mumbai ... the number of people working as waiters in Konkan Railways outnumbers the local population [ all r biharis , never seen a marathi person as railway waiter on their HOME TRAIN ]... and the condition is same in my village too .. where we have biharis working in shops and other establishment .... if u want , i will definitely give u the details next time i go to my native place ....
i said i cheer everytime an indian wins ..... we never cried about the number of maharashtrians in cricket team .... remember a time when half the side was from mumbai ??? thats a merit ka job right ??? do we have people fighting in street for IT jobs ?? do we riot for placements in TIFR , Accenture , wipro ???
yes the attack on railways placement is biased ... cause thats where we have proofs that these people steal our jobs !!! wait till Mr RAJ knows of other avenues where we have such things happening and we will fight for them too , first baato se and if they dont listen , god forbid we will have to shut dowm maharashtra again ......
Again the NIMHANS thing was misunderstood ..... my question is simple ... if tomorrow in maharashtra we try to bring in such ammendment ... will we support it ?? or we will behave as hippocrites and say this isnt secular , this is regionalism !!!why should marathi be optional ?? why cant that be compulsory ?? and again who in this entire maharashtra broke an english medium school saying that we dont want english here .... aare sahab , we want english and WE WANT MARATHI too.... too much to ask naa ??? when we talk of making marathi compulsory for everyone , we ask foolish questions like " RAJ thakreys sons went to english medium school , and they oppose english !!!"... this attitude has caused a decline in marathi teachers ... be assured marathi will be lost soon !!!!National high school in bhandup has non marathi teachers teaching marathi .... understand the quality !!!!
as for ur unity in diversity .... u mean to say chennai ka people are less indian that u and I ?? because they dont speak hindi ?? hummm ... maybe u should try publishing this while u r in chennai and see the result .... why cant we accept that each region has its own culture , its own tradition !!! u agree that if i have to go to NIMHANS and study i should learn their local language , but if i say that about people comming to maharashtra , i m hippocrite and m dividing my country on basis of language !!!!
i believe no where in this histroy of india will u find a leader going out of maharashtra to promote his culture ... look yaar , Mr Sanjay Nirupam has already got an order from the supreme court for chhat puja ,..... who objected to this pooja before they made it into a power struggle ???i guess no one... we lived peacefully with the same brother .... now since he shows his power i have to show mine , and now my neighbour brother is a Bhaiya to whom we need to shown his place !!!! no other community ever does this .... why , for that matter we all enjoy onam , we all enjoy dandiya , we all enjoy the mata ka jagran organised by the punjabis in the same way we celebrate ganeshottsav and the kojagiri pournima .... tomorrow if a bunch of marathi people go and settle in chennai ... do u think we will organise a sarvajanik ganeshottsav there ??? i Bet NO !! we will respect their culture n keep the celebrations to ourself , n not create a political issue there [ this my friend is the tolerance we r talking of , and the respect we speak off that is essential when we go out to other places ....]
Biharis did not create the riots in mumbai ,they did it back in their state ... and why , cause they were told by their respected leaders that the student died in riot [ while he actually died in an accident ] i think u got me wrong on this !!!!
WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF COMPETITION , THEY ARE , AND HENCE THEY REQUIRE SUCH CHEAP TACTICS TO FILL IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE .... if we would have been afraid we would never have asked for exams in mumbai after notifying people in maharashtra ..... that takes care of the competition point ...
yeah , koi mere bathroom may nahi ghus raha hai , he is creating his bathroom where i would have loved to have mine , and the place essentially and rightfully belongs to me ..... i kno u will say " constitution ne usko bhi vohi jagah ka haq diya hai " but i believe deep inside u too will know how illogical that comment is , where m i supposed to do my morning chores ?? on the road ??and someone else will have the honour and pervilidge to use something that belongs to me ..... [ i appologise to everybody for this filthy example , but if this is necessary to understand the plight , so be it ] the constitution of india clearly mentions that we indians can live in any region we want TILL THIS DOESNOT DISTURB THE LOCAL BALANCE ... unfortunately i have lost the email i had , stating the exact clause number and the ammendment made to it , but i will try to find out and let u know sir ....
Sir , as i understand , u too belong to the higher economic class of people who interact so little with the "common man" [ i guess this is true , regarding ur degree M Tech and that u were in accenture once .. obviously u will be at a high placed job i guess ]..... ask someone who feels the pinch of it , talk to a common man and u will understand !!!! i know each day lost for us means a huge loss both in terms of the work done and the money involved , but people in trouble are the ones who cant feed themselves because of this problem ... we can waste half hour each day typing this and still be happy , the marathi manoos fighting is finding it difficult to get two square meals a day ... forget celebrating diwali !!! THIS ISSUE IS NOT OUR PROBLEM , we are not the ones affected by it really , and the ones affected will tell u the story that i m writing here for last 2 days .....
fact remains that i cant force u to believe me , its for u not to go on statistics and debates and the news channels ... i will love it when u talk to few people [ the real common man ] and then comment ..... i do this day in and day out ... interacting with common man is in my job profile ... maybe i m just a little more towards reality !!! just maybe , try comming down and seeing their problems with our own eyes and we will not have to debate here on a blog !!!!
this is just another mail that i had , just for those interested in knowing the real problem
the mails is =
A time will come in Maharashtra when, just like the Farmers in Maharashtra, the Graduate
Youth of this State will Commit Suicide !!!!
This situation will arise because, All the Jobs in Maharashatra then, will be Occupied by Non- Maharashtrians.
Non Maharashtrians here means not people from North India, South India, etc., But those People who
are Not Domiciled In Maharashtra. Similar situation may happen to people of other states too
Railway Recruitment Board aspirants are Brutally Beaten Up !!!
There is large scale Rioting in Bandra, Kalyan, etc !!!!
STOP.
THINK. Why this Situation has come up ???
The Actual Truth is this :-
Since Independence India's States were formed on the Basis of the Local Languages. Logical.
Since 1976, The employment criteria of the Central Recruitment Board was divided into
zones as per the General People of India. This division was based on the Local Language of the States.
Zone-A Bihar, Haryana, HP, MP, Rajasthan, UP, Andaman, Delhi formed the Hindi Speaking Zone.
Zone-B Maharashtra, Gujarat, Punjab & Chandigad, the Non Hindi Speaking Zone.
Zone-C Southern India States like Kerala, Karnataka, etc. & North Eastern States like
Assam, Mizoram, Bengal etc.
The Central Employment Rule said that 'All Exams for Employments in the respective Zones shall
be Held in the Respective States Only.' So that the Local People may get the Jobs in their Home Town.
Very Logical. For 30 Years everything was going Fine.
But since 1987, there was a Minor Change in the Rule 9 Part 9.2.2, for Zone -B Jobs. And this
was made a Rule since 1988. This change was that 'As an optional Language of employement, People of Zone-A
can Apply for Jobs in Zone-B.' This opened up doors of Employement for All Zone-A aspirants in Zone-B areas.
But with this Clause there was a Sub-Clause, stating ' The Notice of Jobs in Zone-B areas for Zone-A
aspirants, May be given in Zone-A Areas only.' Because of this, Recruitment Notices for Jobs in Maharashtra, etc.
are Displayed Only in states like UP, Bihar, Rajasthan, etc. But these Notices are Seldom displayed in Newspapers
of Maharashtra, etc.
So this time, for the 3000 Railway Posts in Maharashtra, 12000 Aspirants came from Zone-A areas.
The Result of this is that, the Un-employed of Maharashtra is Remaining Un-employed. This will surely lead to
Suicides in Due Course.
Many Parties over these years Requested the Central Recruitment Board to Cancel this Clause.
But this was Not done. The Result of this is, the Large Scale Beating Up and Rioting Today. This violent
means is Not Correct. But has there been any choice Left today ???
This mail is Not to Justify Violence, but to show to you how some Politicians, by Modifying some Rules,
have Subtly ensured that their Constituency people get Better Employements. Why should all these Politicians
hold rallies in Maharashtra ???
How will anything be done, as all these Years people like Nitish Kumar, Ram Vilas Paswan
and Lalu Prasad Yadav are the Railway Ministers. Today many TCs, Booking Clerks, GRP, in the Mumbai Railways
are from Zone-A areas. Today Many New Trains have been started to these States. Holiday Specials & Garib Raths
are also run specially for these States. This is a Fact.
What Should Be Done ;- College Admissions and Employments should be Given on the Basis of Domicile
Certificates. I remember in 1991, when I was applying for College Admissions I was asked to produce
a Domicile Cert. But after my Batch this Rule was Relaxed. 17 years down the line we are Witnessing
the Result of All this.
Agreed, 10% Out of Maharashtra People may be Allowed. But First Think of the Sons of Soil. This should
be applicable Not Only in Maharashtra, but also in other States.
Read and if you agree kindly Forward to Not Only Marathi People, But also to Non-Maharashtrians.
Let them also be aware of the Situation that may happen to their Jobs as well
For the purpose of information:
One of the fundamental rights ....
Right to freedom
The Constitution of India contains the right to freedom, given in articles 19, 20, 21 and 22, with the view of guaranteeing individual rights that were considered vital by the framers of the constitution. The right to freedom in Article 19 guarantees the following six freedoms:[20]
Freedom of speech and expression, which enable an individual to participate in public activities. The phrase, "freedom of press" has not been used in Article 19, but freedom of expression includes freedom of press. Reasonable restrictions can be imposed in the interest of public order, security of State, decency or morality.
Freedom to assemble peacefully without arms, on which the State can impose reasonable restrictions in the interest of public order and the sovereignty and integrity of India.
Freedom to form associations or unions on which the State can impose reasonable restrictions on this freedom in the interest of public order, morality and the sovereignty and integrity of India.
Freedom to move freely throughout the territory of India though reasonable restrictions can be imposed on this right in the interest of the general public, for example, restrictions may be imposed on movement and travelling, so as to control epidemics.
Freedom to reside and settle in any part of the territory of India which is also subject to reasonable restrictions by the State in the interest of the general public or for the protection of the scheduled tribes because certain safeguards as are envisaged here seem to be justified to protect indigenous and tribal peoples from exploitation and coercion.[21]
Freedom to practice any profession or to carry on any occupation, trade or business on which the State may impose reasonable restrictions in the interest of the general public. Thus, there is no right to carry on a business which is dangerous or immoral. Also, professional or technical qualifications may be prescribed for practicing any profession or carrying on any trade.
@ Avinash
The divisive mentality never stops within ... does it !!!
Now that u know that i am apost graduate working for an MNC you think that a middle class marathi like me can't understand what the common marathi is going through.
Well done !!!!
And why would u not celebrate ganeshutsav in Chennai with Bash???
Are u afraid of smthing !!!
I knw i am not ..... And will not forbid anyone else to celebrate their festivals.
God forbid that day when a community in minority abstains from celebrating their culture in a place they are in minority. Thats not repect, that is FEAR !!!
And the chennai example was given to give a practical example of two languages so diffrent that initially it poses a problem for a new person in that area.
Never did i mention that they were less Indian that i and you are.
I dont see any problem with marathi being made compulsory along with English in Educational institutes. I guess most of them follow this even now.
Trouble begins when an adult non marathi comes here seeking a job and is subjected to violence, prejudice and hatred. Companies here or anywhere do not bias on the basis of region, but talent.
Don't castigate the pvt sector in the samelines as public sector which is prone to electioncentric manipulation.
It is this mentality that has led to the Quota system in educational institutes and is diluting the talent of our country. And same voices are being heard in jobs in the pvt sector which is just appaling.
Aisa kabhi hua hai kyaa ki marathi log sirf maharashtra mein naukri karte hain !!!!
I have to question the authencity of the material that u have provided here ...
I dont know how many bathrooms you want for "your" people :) , but i guess how much is enough, we will never know.
We can go on and on about this but the "sensational statements" mentioned in your entry and the so called mail hold no ground.
Bottomline is this, when the time comes and the lines are drawn, given the discussion that we had !!!! U and i will be on opposing sides.... That doesn't make me a less Marathi than u are , but in my view definately makes me a better human being !!!
This difference will always remain.
Lets see what is the solution/compromise comes up. But the point remains... U or anybody can't stop a person make a livlihood in any part of the country to which he or she wishes, atleast without being a hooligan threatnin them with loss of property or life as those demented MNS workeres or their Goofball RAJ THAKRE is doing ...
And finally it happens !!!
All the violence that MNS dished out has blown in the face of innocent bystanders/Maharashtrians !!!!
Our worst fear has come true ...
Lets just pray that the BEST BUS case is not the first of the series .....
i would have been happy if some one else would have commented on mr sachins latest statement , unfortunately seems i will have to do it myself .......
dear mr sachin saheb , i really appreciate ur care towards the fellow countrymen , which i m sure everybody will like to incorporate in themselves , its a shame on us that we couldnt recoganise this early ..... todays incidence [ the BEST bus hijack ] has opened my eyes ... yes sir u are correct ... MNS were wrong ... even what the police did today was wrong ..... we should have been human enough to hand over raj thakrey to that fellow brother in the BEST bus holding a gun .... and allowed him to do what he wished .....
how dare the police kill him !!!! he had a gun in his hand agreed , but he was innocent [ he had never been reported in any police station in his home state ... as one of his supporter said LIVE on sahara samay " 25 saal ki umar may aisa chota mota lafda karte hai bacche , humare yaha report bhi hoti hai police main , par yeah ladka sharif tha , kabhi bhi report darj nahi hua hai iska " thats for the police record of youths in his state] and he was from a well to do family , had a few relatives in mumbai , but since his intentions were noble and good , he decided to stay in a hotel ..... why would anyone wanna kill him ??? our foolish police say he opened fire on them , whats the big deal , they shud have faced the bullets naa ... police had bullet proof jackets , bechara guy in the bus holding a gun didnt have a bullet proof jacket .... we should have shot him on hand or legs [ BEST bus are sooooooo spacious enough that they allow ample space for police to hide , take aim on his feets and shoot him !!! ]
other methods were never tried , i mean tear gas and some other known methods that i may not be aware of .... sure he might have got angry and shot blindly killing a few policeman or passengers .... but we can sacrifice few innocent maharashtrians if that saves a fellow brother , a fellow indian ....
our maharashtrian MP in delhi should take this issue seriously , i request them to fight unitedly with respected mr laloo prasad , mr ram vilas paswan , and others , go and hold meetings with the PM the president , do whatever it takes to ban terrorist outfits like MNS and Shivsena ......
we have to make patil saheb [our home minister] to apologise for the sentence "a bullet for a bullet" this is no way to behave in a democracy .... an eye for an eye makes the world blind !!!! , next time we have such a situation , call up that lad for a cup of coffee and help him cool off with help of a psychologist !!!
unfortunately for all the advances in technology , i cud see on one half of my screen this guy with gun threatening others , and in the other half , i had mr laloo claiming , this is a story , we cant see him shooting anyone .... the police has done a cold blooded murder ,he is innocent , ban MNS ...... and my heart reached out to mr laloo prasad ji , who was soooooooo caring about HIS people [ i m not dividing here , he himself said humare aadmi ko ]... i respect him for this .... he so very well knows that bihar can be on fire if people are not allowed in mumbai , and till he can assure them mumbai is safe for biharis , he will not have to develop his state .... and if money doesnt go for the state development , well he can have it .... some day we will have an IPL ka team named "laloo le lads "--- coming soon !!!!
still , the question remains , where did this INNOCENT guy get this GUN !!!! any guesses ???
@ Sachin,
तुम्ही तमिऴविषयी हे म्हटले आहे.
And the chennai example was given to give a practical example of two languages so diffrent that initially it poses a problem for a new person in that area.
तुम्ही लिहिलेल्या या वाक्यावरून मला प्रसिद्ध भाषाशास्त्रज्ञ विश्वनाथ खैरे यांच्या पुस्तकातल्या खालील ओळी आठवल्या. बाकी चालूद्या.
"
... मराठी व तमिळ या भाषांचा आणि संस्कृतींचा गाढ, प्राचीन संबंध दाखवणं हे या सर्व
लेखनाचं उद्दिष्ट आहे.प्रतीकार्थानं हा संबंध मराठीच्या बाळपणापासून सुरू होतो असं दाखवणारं गाणं म्हणजे बाळाला तीट लावण्याच्या वेळी मराठी आया शतकानुशतके म्हणत
आल्या आहेत ते:
अडगुलं मडगुलं/ सोन्याचं कडगुलं/रुप्याचा वाळा/ तान्ह्या बाळा/
तीट लावू//
तमिळमध्ये अटकु (अडगु) म्हणजे ठेवीची, विनिमयाची किंवा गहाणाची वस्तू. मडक्कू म्हणजे मातीची मोठी थाळी. मट्कलम् म्हणजे मडकं. मण् म्हणजे माती आणि कलम म्हणजे भांडं यावरून तो शब्द आला आहे. 'मडकं मोल म्हणून दिलं किंवा गहाण ठेवलं' असा पहिल्या ओळीचा अर्थ आहे. सोन्नम् म्हणजे सोनं आणि कडगम् म्हणजे कडं. ' मडकं देऊन सोन्याचं कडं घेतलं.' वाळम् म्हणजे गोल किंवा वर्तुळ. इरिप्पु म्हणजे रुपं, 'रुप्याचा वाळा घेतला.' हे दागिने तान्ह्या बाळाला घातले. 'ती' म्हणजे आग, जाळ. तीत्तल म्हणजे करपवणं, काजळणं. तीट्टुतल् म्हणजे अंगाला लावणं. तीत्तु म्हणजे दुष्टावा. 'दृष्ट' लागू नये म्हणून काजळीची तीट लावताना हे सगळे अर्थ एकत्र आले आहेत. तमिळ आणि मराठी समानार्थी शब्द किती सारखे आहेत पाहा.
खैरे विचारतात, "नवतरण्या महाराष्ट्री माउलीने तान्ह्या मराठी बाळाला जी शब्दाभूषणे घातली ती तमिळाईकडून तर घेतली नव्हती?" "होय" असं आत्मविश्वासपूर्ण उत्तर देण्यापर्यंत खैर्यांचा प्रवास नजीकच्या काळातच झाला. आणि केवळ शब्दभूषणं नव्हे तर सांकृतिक आभरणंही तामिळाईकडून मिळाली असे पुरावे ते सादर करीत राहिले.ओवी, अंगाई, पोवाडा हे सर्व तमिळमधून आले. ओवीचा चौथा चरण तुटका असतो एवढ्यावरून त्या अर्थाचे संस्कृत शब्द बनवायचे आणि त्याचा अपभ्रंश म्हणून ओवी शब्द सिद्ध झाला हे दाखवायचं असा
खटाटोप प्रस्थापित भाषाशास्त्राला धरून पूर्वीच करण्यात आला होता. प्रा. वेलणकरांनी ती संज्ञा अशी व्युत्पादिली आहे:
'अर्धचतुष्पदी-अठ्ठोठवइ-अड्ढुड्ढवयी-अड्ढूहवई-ढूहवई-हूहवई-होवई-ओवाई-ओवी. डॉ. कत्रे यांनी अपपादिका-अववाइआ-ओवैया-ओवी अशी परंपरा सांगितली."संस्कृतवरून व्युत्पत्ती काढायची म्हटल्यावर असा द्राविडी प्राणायाम करावाच लागतो" अशी यावर खैरे यांची टिप्पणी आहे. सरळ द्रविड भाषेकडे गेलं तर काय दिसतं? ओवीचा चौथा चरण तुटका ना? तमिळ ओऽवाय म्हणजे दात नसलेलं तोंड, तुटक्या काठाचं भांड. शिवाय 'ओवि' म्हणजे ध्वनी, आवाज. बाळ झोपताना ओऽ ओऽ करतं. त्याच तालावर आई त्याला ओऽ ओऽ करीत पटते. आवाहन करणारा हा आईचा मराठी ओऽ आहे. आजही मराठी गुराखी ओढाळ गुरू लांब गेलं तर ओऽ ओऽ करून त्याला ओवई किंवा ववई घालतो. (हे ग्रामीण बोलीचे महत्व. अशी अनेक उदाहरणे पुढे येतात.)छे, इश्श, अय्या हे उद्गार तमिळ.खंडोबा, त्याचा येळकोट, विठ्ठल, गोंधळ, तुळजाई, बोल्हाई, काळूबाई, फिरंगाई हे सर्व तमिळ.शेंडी पासून क्रमाने डोई, डोळा, पापणी, मिशी, ओठ, मोहरा, हात, पोट, स्त्रीयोनीचा मराठी शब्द, गुडघा, नडघी, घोटा, बोट हे सर्व तमिळ. 'तात्पर्य, शरीरवर्णनात आपण मराठी भाषिक नखशिखांत तमिळ आहोत.' शरीरवर्णनाचे शब्द हे भाषेतील प्राथमिक शब्द असतात हे या संदर्भात लक्षात ठेवणं योग्य होईल.चूलमूल, नातीगोती, भाजीपाला, स्वैपाकाचे पदार्थ, शेतीची अवजारे यांच्याशी संबंधित असलेले मराठीतील शब्दही तमिळ.
महाराष्ट्रातील स्थळनामांच्या अर्थाचा उलगडा तमिळवरून होतो हे द्रविड महाराष्ट्र या पुस्तकात दाखवले आहे. मुंबई, परळ, चेंबूर, वसई, वाशी, पुणे, वानवडी, येरवडा, थेऊर, जेजुरी, खंडाळा, जुन्नर, इत्यादी. मुठा, मुळा, उल्हास या नद्याही. उल्हास नदीच्या नावात उल्ह म्हणजे 'पल्ला मासा', जो केवळ याच नदीत सापडायचा. (आता प्रदूषणमुळं सापडत नाही.)मराठी वाचकांसमोर हे पुरावे मांडत असताना, दक्षिणी भाषाभ्यसकांपुढेही त्यांना भावतील असे तमिळ-मराठी संबंधांचे पुरावे इंग्रजी निबंधांतून खैरे सादर करीत आले आहेत. निर्णायक वाटावा असा पुरावा 'टोवर्डस इंडियन फोनॉलजी अँड लिंग्विस्टिक्स' या त्यांच्या निबंधात पहायला मिळतो. दक्षिणी भाषांच्या व्युत्पत्तिकोशाच्या दोघांपैकी एक संपादक एमेनो यांनी १९७० साली द्रविडियन कंपॅरेटिव्ह फोनॉलजी-ए स्केच या नावाच्या प्रबंधात सुमारे २७५ दक्षिणी शब्दावलीच्या वर्णांची तुलना केली आहे. त्यातल्या जवळ जवळ २६० गटांमधे मराठीतल्या एक ना एक शब्दाची ओळख पटते. त्यातल्या अनेकांच्या ज्या संस्कृत व्युत्पत्ती दिलेल्या आहेत त्या नमूद करून त्यांची कृत्रिमताही उघड केली आहे. अस्सल दक्षिणी म्हणवतात त्यांचे समशब्द मराठमोळे म्हणून वावरताहेत हा केवळ योगायोग म्हणता येणार नाही.पण अगदी बिनतोड पुरावा हवा असेल तर तो पुढचा आहे. जे आपल्याला 'अस्सल मराठी' वाटतं त्याला आपण 'मराठमोळं' म्हणतो. अस्सल मराठी भाषेला आपण 'मराठमोळी' म्हणतो. तमिळ मर्रा (जो मराठीत मर्हा होतो) म्हणजे न झाकलेलं, उघडं किंवा स्पष्ट. 'मर्हाटाचि बोलु'! ज्ञानेश्वरीमधे बावीस वेळा हा शब्द आला आहे. आणि त्याचा हाच अर्थ असल्याचे खैर्यानी एका निबंधात दाखवून दिलं आहे. मोळि म्हणजे बोली, भाषा...
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What A Bihari Learned Yesterday From the BEST bus Hijack Incidence.....
1] we have to unite in case one of our fellow brother [ belonging to bhiar ] is hurt !!!
2] the fault always lies with other state and not with us [ read - fault always lies with people in maharashtra trying to unite the marathi people , we can always claim they are separatist , and we always will remain true Indian]
3] to prove this we can stoop down to any level , claim that a gun holding person is not a terrorist , claim that i didnt see him fire a round on the police etc
4] we can easily put pressure on maharashtra , which we are sure will succumb to our pressure...
5] if necessary , we will avoid all points that can prove us wrong .. such as - where did this gentleman get a country made hand gun , questions like did the police really know he was from bihar before they shot at him ??
6] the most important point is that , if this same guy was a maharashtrian , and he would have been in patna , asking people to hand him laloo prasadji , we [biharis] can rest assured , that people in maharashtra are secular and kind enough to say "oh , this marathi guy holding a gun was a terrorist , and no need to order any judicial probe into it , whatever the patna police did was excellent".... we might just have people in maharashtra who might contribute a heavy sum of money and give it to our policemen who will shoot this guy down ... as a mark of respect , and as a gift for performing his duty !!!!
guess what a marathi man got from this yesterday ..... a few holes in the BEST bus , an injured passenger thanks to kind , lovable person ...... hummm , what else did we get ??? i will have to think .... can someone help me please !!!!
Hi,
Reading this blog - I am torn between deciding for or against. Fundamentally I find a few things wrong.
1. Burden on Maharashtra: I wouldnt agree as the fundamental rights are granted to all Indians to relocate and look for occupation.
2.Recruitment of UP/Biharis in Maharashtra: The exam centres which give permissions for such exams can be questioned. There are legal mechanisms of questioning why the advertisements did not appear on the local dailies - and have a stay order on the same from the High/Supreme court.
3.Adamancy to Mix with Local Culture: If I am not a Hindu/Christian/Buddhist does not mean that I do not respect these religions. It just means that I am whatever religion I am. Its not fair to impost any language/regionalism/religion on anyone saying that its the local language/religion. If you need to then you can always talk in Marathi and boycott all non-marathi speaking people. However make sure that you stay under the confines of the law and Indian constitution.
4.National Language Phenomenon: I am rather sad to read so much about National Language of India. As far as I know there are only official language and none has been deemed as "National Language" by the constitution or any law. Since Hindi is the most popular/wide spoken language people assume that its the National Language! No its not and there is no national language in India.
5. Mockery of Amendment to Democratic Law: Yes if people are making mockery of this amendmend (sorry but I am not aware of any, and I am not questioning you) then they can be tried in a court of law. I am not a Gandhian and not the least a follower of Ambedkar ( A person who has divided India on the basis of caste), but I strongle believe that all this can be handled - not by making fiery and provocative speeches, but by using the law.
If you can then:
a. start legal action against culprits.
b. boycott people whom you dont like
c. Elect a government who can ensure law is followed by everyone
d. Dont incite violence or anything unconstitutional which might have a backlash.
e. Decide how you want the city/state to be, and start working towards it.
Regards,
Footloose wanderer
P.S. Politicians have done this before and will do the same again - they want publicity. Annadurai/Karunanidhi did it agains Noth Indians in TN, Bal Thakrey did it against South Indians in Mumbai. Its upto the public as to where they want to focus their attention.
@Ajanukarn
Ur fonts are not coming up properly in my PC(might be a browser cache problem ...)
That is why i was not able to respond to you in earlier posts also.
I saw my name in one of my posts.
If u requested a response than kindly rewrite it in plain text so that i may repond to your query ...
Thanks
@ Avinash
Aag lagaane walon ne apna kaam kar diya hai.
No matter how much we argue now, its us ( both north Indians and marathis) who will burn ...
These politicians will just sit back and watch the whole arson like a procession.
We are sitting pretty here and feel like we can do anything to them out here.
A person was killed and 3 others are critical in which locals attacked Biharis in a local yesterday.
in another incident a marathi was thrashed by biharis in patna supposedly in retaliation to the ongoing tussle in Maharashtra.
An observation here to make is that in both incidents none of the attackers were affilated to any political parties.
And this is the worst part. The fire has indeed spread to the common man.
But when the storm will blow over, i mean if it blows over we will be seen as instigators, because as much as i hate to admit it , we threw the first stone !!!!
@Avinash
I am not supporting what that person did.
Even within i think i can justify what the police did.
He had a weapon, he was firing wildly, could have hit n number of people.
One life in exchange for all those ... as blunt as i may sound, i think i dnt blame the policeman.
They had to make a decision in the heat of the moment and they made it.
I think its about time that the trio of laloo, nitish and paswan stopped crucifying the police and see the event the way it is, a dangerous person being shot dead coz he endangered the lives of innocent people rather than giving it an ethnic color and further trying to gain political mileage out of it.
As i mentioned in the previous entry, if at all that person did what he did because of this hate stuggle going on, then the cause is already lost.
first we did what we did, then they'll retaliate, each time the magnitude of retalition from each side increasing, and finally the disintegration of the fabric of unity in our country ......
Each state has already enuf reasons to fight amongst themselves:
Some states are fighting over water, some over land, others over buisness aquitisions.
If we were to fight like this then ach state would harbor a sparartist agenda that would culminate a very dangerous atmosphere of mistrust, doubt and violence.
Lets hope some sanity infuses into the mind of each side and this thing dies down before it claims any more casualties.
As i wrote the previous two entries , readind what i had written down he said one thing which i feel like sharing with u all:
On reading my " who did it first thing " he commented " Sawaal yeh nhi hai ki pehle kisne kyaa kiyaa, taaki aur khoon kharaba na ho, sawaal yeh bata hai hai ki isko rokne ke liye humne kyaa kiyaa ?"
I guess we must ask this question to ourselves and an initiative must be taken in the direction of stopping this.
I would also like the people who are so obsessed with targeting Hindi as being thrust upon them to accept as the National Language :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India
THERE IS NO NATIONAL LANGUAGE OF INDIA.
HINDI IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF INDIA ALONG WITH USE OF ENGLISH AS A SUBSIDARY LANGUAGE FOR OFFICIAL COMMUNICATION.
ALL THE STATES ARE FREE TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN LANGUAGE FOR ADMINISTRATION AND INTRA STATE COMMUNICATION.
ONLY IN CASE OF INTERSTATE COMMUNICATION BTW HINDI AND NON HINDI SPEAKING STATES, THEY ARE TO USE ENGLISH FOR THE PURPOSE OF EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION ....
I hope this clears out some of the rumours that some people on this blog are spreading and trying to crate a divide on linguistic basis
I dont think Gujjrati's and Sinddhi's gel with Maharashtrians, anymore than Bhaiyas do. They stay in their close knit communities helping only their community members.
Bhaiyas take the most menial jobs but still they are targeted and not Gujjus, Just go and see Girgaum as an example its completely takem over by Gujjus, who have expeled the Marathi man.But still Raj will not target them. Is it because Gujjus have more influence and more money and are educated to enough to retaliate that the parties like MNS are scared of them and Bhaiyas are helpless so they are targeted to gain political mileage.
In my opinion Gujjus and Sindhis are as much a menace to Maharastrian as are the Bhaiyas. Perhaps they are even more damaging than the bhaiyas who take up lowest jobs like manual laborers that the Marathi man will not do. I as a common Marathi man would like to know why only biharis are targeted ?
@sachin sir ,
thanks for writing in .... and thanks for changing ur tone down from almost classifying me as a separatist , to someone belonging to "the marathi manoos clan " which includes u too ....
As u urself have mentioned by giving reference to wikipedia , Hindi is not a national language , and we in maharashtra can make all work in our govt offices in marathi if we decide for that .... just as other states may say their regional language to take precedence over hindi ... now , if someone can object to that in our legislative assembly , or in public saying "hum aisa hone nahi denge , lathi batenge " i guess that tells the story as WHO started it , definitely not us in war of words ...... i still feel sorry for the kids who were thrashed .... [ but the outbreak in bihar after that has made me feel less guilty , mad me feel that these people are burning bihar because their plans have been foiled ]
now , what to do to stop this - answer is simple , till we donot have a distributed and a good development of india , people are going to flock to places like maharashtra , spoil opportunites for locals [ and i mean all those in maharashtra who think and believe they r maharashtrains - ur domicile cft wala people may be included here]...... now the answer to this problem is not arresting Mr Raj thakrey , but arresting Lalooji , paswanji , nitish kumar ji and getting some development done in their states !!!! till these rahu , ketu and shani are in the northern states , they wont progress , and the rest of india will suffer the burden .... we have it in mumbai now , god forbid , but if this continues , may spread to entire country sooner than expected ... the root of the problem is NOT MAHARASHTRA , BUT THE NORTHERN STATES .... and someone needs to explain them this ......
unfortunately what these people flocking into mumbai dont realise is that in a way they too are reducing the resources maharashtra can offer them... 1 bihari brings in 10 more ... this continues ..... and soon we have more biharis than needed .... what follows is that this new guy works for lesser than the approved wages [ staying away from family , with 10 others in 1 room doesnt cost much maybe ]... leading to unemployment here ......say if we have 5000 software professionals deported to mumbai due to this recession , what will happen to people already employed here , if these new ppl decide to work at far lower salary ......[may not be a good example , ur company may not ditch u so easily , but if u see the simile ... we can lose the jobs we have ... or we will have to work at pay that we cannot afford !!!]
unfortunately when we say , common man will burn , we donot realise that we too will be afected some day by this problem .... as i mentioned ... the problem isnt here , its up there with the leaders in their state .....
i wouldnt term things as separatist .... this is about a spirit to see their state at a higher level .... mamta and modi both wanted tata ..... who offers better wins ... simple ....maybe Raj feels the same ... we will have to wait n see before we label him useless .....
"A person was killed and 3 others are critical in which locals attacked Biharis in a local yesterday" .... critical person cannot be roaming about ... give sketches to police .... this latest news is a political gimmick by the north indian leaders .... why , on the same day a gujju was stabbed by a nepali - doesnt imply nepal and gujrat are on war ... these news are not new to us .. we have heard of rapes in train , murders in train , people being thrashed in trains ..... this latest thing has lots of doubt ... no 2 newspapers give similar account of the same , the police were so quick to say its a marathi-bihari thing [ police usually dont open their mouth so easily ] , no one had external injury marks [including the 3 critical persons as u said , nor the dead person ] moreover , the incidence happened at 2.30 or so , and patient admitted at 5 pm ?? why the delay ..... there r so many questions .... better not be discussed here now ......
moreover , why do we need IG from bihar to investigate the BEST bus encounter ?? arent my police capable enough ?? bihari IG has better sense of things that happeded miles away , while our police are "kaamchor" ... didnt wanna work , iskiye maar dala .... now who is playing politics .... when will the biharis understand ???
the earlier the biharis and the UPites realise that they r being taken for a ride , the better it is ...... otherwise they will suffer badly , and me n u as a MARATHI MANOOS , can just pity them , as our own brothers will thrash them .......
@ dr rishi sir ,
i completely agree to ur point that we indians are still divided by the lines of religion , community .... thank god we all unite when we have to fight for india ..... and we should be happy about it !!!
as u rightly said , the sindhis and gujjus are definitely more educated and wealthy .... but who will fight them ??? and for what reason ??? majority of maharashtrians today need a job that rightfully belongs to them , which the bhaiya takes up ... not a gujju or sindhi . very few marathi ppl r really interested in taking up business .... maybe the attitude of "why take risk" still prevails ....
if i need a flat in girgaum or any other locality wherein these high profile sindhis n gujjus live , obviously , i got enough money to buy it , and then i come under the category where i need not fight with a bhaiya for a job!!! [this will be the time i will be shouting for a secular India ]
so as of today , they are not the immediate threat , though , i myself personally feel that marathi manoos should be back to MUMBAI and stop moving towards dombivili and kalyan !!! hopefully , a day will arise when marathi manoos will strike form , start businesses and move ahead in life to a limit wherein these people will then become a threat to his business survival ..... maybe that day , we might be discussing a different issue .....
@avinash sadekar : Buddy Im not shouting for a secular india at all, after all india is working on the tax money paid by maharashtra.
All im saying is that Gujjus and shindhis should also be kicked out, Marathi manoos is not successful in any business because these guys wont let him succeed. looka t colleges like jai hind and Kc they are in mumbai but have a sindhi quata and they favour their own students, the Gujju and Sindhi community strikes at the very root of Maharashtra , if the Marathi manoos looses out on good education its because of these people. They act subtly and silently so promote their own communities. Bhaiys who take up "the good jobs" come later. Gujjus and sindhis pay up large donations in colleges to get good seats which the marathi man looses out, why is no one targeting that ?
These people wont let us get good education and we keep screaming bhaiys take up the jobs.
Im no bahiya lover but And lets face it marathi mansala maaj kami nasto - so you think any marati manoos will become a istri walla or a dhobi ?
All I want to say is that if one is realy intersted in the PLIGHT OF MAHARASHTIANS.(and not in publicity and political millage) Along with Bhaiyas, why not do something about these other communities too?
Like remove the sindhi quota form colleges.
I again would like to reiterate one point here, Maharashtra does not belong to Marathis only !!!!!
We marathis are an ethnic group who are in majority here.
All marathis are Maharashtrians but not all Maharashtrians are Marathis.
A person who hails from U.P, Gujrat or Punjab but is settled in Mumbai is a Mahrashtrian and Mr Mantri he is also paying the same taxes that u claim that only maharashtrians ( acc to u only marathis ) pay.
All the communities who have stayed here for so long, the punjabis, the sindhis or gujratis have also the same rights as any citizen would have ......
And the govt elected in Mahrashtra is responsible for the welfare and securtiy of evry Maharashtrian and not just Marathis !!!!!!
Just listen at what you are sayin Mr Mantri and Mr Avinash .....
The first one wants to drive out Sindhis and Gujrati, another one wants to drive out North indians, then someone else will come in and drive out punjabis, muslims and so on and so forth ....
People please talk sense !!!
How would have u ave felt if u were denied entry into Haridwar because you are not a UPite ????
Scarcity of jobs ,of resources are funfamental problems like world hunger and poverty.
U are fighting with other people because they have a different ethnicity.
A time will come when Marathis themselves will grow in numbers and start presuurizing the infrastructure here ....
Then what will you do ??
I am sure people like Raj Thakre will again find an excuse to divide us on the basis of our status , economic status or who knows even the areas we live in (Posh localities/ Flats vs Housing colonies )
We will then be compartmentalized into upper , middle and lower caste marathis .... and fight and castigate each other.
This an unending loop !!!
We better drop this mentatlity right here , right now ...
@ Sachin
What kind of mentality are you telling to drop? Your kind of mentality? Then, I think people should drop your kind of mentality.
After reading all your comments, I sincerely feel that you're that kind of a thick-headed North Indian, maybe UPite or Bihari, but certainly you are not a Marathi. You are posing as a Marathi on this Blog and trying to show that a Marathi guy is having a different opinion.
You are trying hard to project yourself as a better human being, but I think people like Avinash are much better who support fighting for basic rights for the sons of soil in this civilized world. Even Shivaji Maharaj had to fight for our rights, and in that struggle many were killed. But finally his mission was successful.
You have mentioned that people are dividing Indians, but where is the question of dividing Indians when we only demand of basic rights for local people. Why do you think our country was divided into different states? Does it smell of division of any kind? Does that divide India? Of course, NOT! It's simply for better administration of local population, better handling of local culture and better governance of a well defined area.
People like you ardently follow the biased media, and you're brainwashed by showing one side of the coin again and again.
I really have pity upon Mumbai, which is continuously bogged down by the burden of lakhs and lakhs of migrant influx everyday.
Also, your comments sound like Marathi people are lesser Indian than UP/Biharis, and UP/Biharis have all rights in Indian constitution to do whatever they want anywhere in the country.
They dump their undeveloped states and move out to other areas, but I think it's high time that they dump their politicians instead and try to develop their states.
Ek Number......The issues mentioned in the above article are absolutely correct. I was reading the comments by other folks. Someone was saying that the way Mr. Raj is handling this situation is rubbish. But, my dear friend, these UP n Bihari's understand only this kind of language. Jai Maharashtra....
One more post for the general information of the PSEUDO secularist - check out The Times of India , Mumbai edition of 10th Nov 08 , page 12. well if u have time , go on read the entire article " a migrant from bihar " by Mr Avijit Ghosh [its not worth wasting time , i wasted enough reading it], to cut it short , its an interview of some bihari in new delhi.....
see the tables - 1991-2001 max domestic migration is from UP [3.81%] and Bihar [2.24%] , maharashtra at that time has a meagre outward migration rate of 0.9% only........ top domestic destination during the same period include Maharashtra at the top [3.23%] the 10th state is rajasthan [0.72% inward migration] Bihar doesnt even figure on the list , UP is at 5th place with a inward migration rate of meagre 1.08% ...... these are OFFICIAL FIGURES from Cencus Of India . These effectively means , for every 1 person shifting out of maharashtra , almost 3+ people come in....., for 4 people shifting out of UP , only 1 comes in......ANYONE STILL HAS A DOUBT THAT MAHARASHTRA DOESNT FACE PROBLEMS BY MIGRATION ?? the official census for this decade will be done in 2010-2011 , so we can wait for actual figures till then ..... if this blog continues , i will put them up for the ANTI MARATHI population for their reference!!!
whats more interesting is the map given alongside that shows violences against BHIHARI -
Assam - 1979 , 2000 , 2003
Manipur 2008
kashmir 2007 onwards
ludhiyana Oct, 07
Maharashtra feb , 08 onwards
hummm ..... maharashtra is intolerant ?? i dont think so.......
we NEVER had an issue over the other incidences , how many of us even know these happened ........ how much hulla was made when it happened in Maharashtra ..... and the reason is that our Marathi politicians in delhi are MORONS ..... Mr Manohar Joshi did do his job by putting forth the plight of Maharashtrians , but that didnt prevent the bhaiyyas from asking for a presidents rule in maharashtra !!!!
the reason is , we marathi ppl are so tolerant that for India , we will again and again take a back step , that might not happen in any other state .... the chhat pooja that happened here cud have been done here only , never heard of chhat pooja in assam !!! or delhi !!!
Marathi people , beware , Maharashtra is the "golden bird" and these Bihari politicians want to have their control over maharashtra .... a very well planned conspiracy is already on , and if we sit quite now , we will have to see a new Laloo creating a fodder scam here in maharashtra .....
the other marathi people who care a damn about these issues , can please themselves by labelling themselves as "SECULAR" and be ruled by "an outsider who is interested in taking maharashtra ka money to bihar and UP"
THE CHOICE IS OURS
Jai Hind , Jai Maharashtra!!!
Mr Sachin , and the other "secular" people , kindly do comment on this topic please!!!!
Hi to All......!!!
Nice place to express ourselves on religion. But why do we forget that we are humans first.
Violence is not the only solution to make vacancies for Marathi people or any other people.
We are showing power on those who are innocent, those whom we don't know. They are also humans, they also feel the hunger in their stomach.
Up & Bihar is not developed & thats the main reason people migrate to Mumbai.
They leave their homes & family to earn their living so that at least they can provide one time's meal to their family.
But in all these politics, people forget to see the efforts that these people take.
But, if we take the example of the Marathi people( I am sorry to say this ,but this is what I have seen & experienced in Mumbai from my childhood ) what I have seen is that they don't want to take efforts of that level.
We study, we get the degree, we even get the job but when it comes to salary, remuneration they say we are engineers we won't work for 6000 - 8000 per month....WHY???????
And then they say, we don't get jobs & their they miss the opportunity & everything gets messed up. But those who really want to earn will agree on the salary whatever he gets....just telling to himself that he will make most of this opportunity.
The recent news I read in Mumbai Mirror was really very shameful.
Students want to sell vada pav because they are offered less salary(a pure rubbish)......why they don't have that fighting spirit...the power & energy they show in beating the others instead of using it to make the most of the opportunity they get.
And if the political parties are really going to provide jobs to the Marathi people, why they have chosen only the business of vada pav. They are politically as well as financially strong so why not invest more money and setup a proper Industry for the young guns of Maharashtra & India to come.
Why onyl vada-pav??????
It may be a good business, but again it is business, for some it might click but won't for every one who does that.
I have lived Mumbai, I have seen it each & every day. Being a person who travels by local train every day, I have seen categories of Marathi people(some real gentlemen & some very arrogant).
I have heard many Marathi people themselves protest against these kind of violence against UP & Biharis.
I am not against Marathi people, mala swatahla garva aahe ki mi Maharashtrat rahto pan hey sarva zaalya nantar rhudayat bhay pasarla aahe.
I think people have forgotten that they are human first. They treat other people like he/she are animals.
I have many marathi friends & My Best friend is also Marathi. I have always respected the culture of Maharashtra but If these kinds of violence continued the every state will treat Maharashtra as their enemies(especially UP & Bihar) & the final & end result will a divided India.
The problem of being jobless is solely the choice of that individual & he himself can help himself out of his situation. No other man can change that.
Why people don't take efforts to find when railway recruitment is starting????
I have seen advertisements & forms being sold on each and every railway station but always found a student from UP or Bihar purchasing those recruitment & examination forms.
JOBS are available, today's need is to grab them.
This is what I had to say from my side. But before i conclude.. I will say.....
I am proud to be an Indian, I am proud to be from UP & I am very much proud to be a Maharshtrian also......
Now it depends on the people of Maharashtra how they treat the people who come from other states.
Jai Hind, Jai Maharashtra......
@ Sachin
You're abusing me and you want your comment to be published?!
You're a sick guy, go get a life...
@blogmaster ,
sir , u should have allowed the comment of sachin saheb to be published !!! we would have loved to see what a "good human" he is.... especially after he himself said that he is a better human than u n me ..... surprising , now that sachin saheb doesnt have a place to hide his face given the stats from the newspaper he is such an ardent follower of
@ Human
sir i really dunno what makes u say that marathi manoos is still that "kaamchoor" that he is always thought to be ...... u said that 15 yrs ago , i would have agreed ..... today NO !!!! my istriwala is NOT A BHAIYYA , he is marathi , and my kachrawala is marathi , the guy who cleans our lifts is marathi , my watchmen are marathi[ majority ] , the cable wala is marathi , net wala is marathi , wardboys in hospital r marathi , so r the "aayabai" [the all purpose female workers in hospital doing job of cleaning up the patients **** and all ] ... who says there is no dignity to these jobs !!!!! gone r those days dada..... now every job has a value and marathi manoos is into it really !!!! rickshaw wala , taxi wala .... we r getting into this slowly and steadily ..... why not wadapav ?? bhandup may "bhau cha wada pav " is quite famous .... the fight is never for an engg job or a medical seat , or something like that ... maybe we will fight for it later . but now the matter that is important is , when my brothers and sisters are not afraid to take up any job by saying "its not worth it " we have to provide the jobs to them .... majority of us still are not so lucky to sit and waste time typing on a blog , the average guy still find it difficult to feed his family , add the "outsiders" and u have a deadly combo ...... i believe that maharashtra belongs to india , but then India should think of maharashtra too naa ...... mamta banarjee can make a govt in delhi dance with her meagre no of MP , Mr sharad powar ni asa kela naa tar aapan marathi manoos tyanchi waat lavu nahi kaa ??? i hope u have read my previous article regarding the statistics provided .... that answers so many questions sir .....
everyone is welcome in maharashtra ..... please please for gods sake , dont spoil maharashtra by doing what u do in ur state ..... 6 of 10 times u watch someone spit on road is a bhaiyya .... sorry thats my experience , i dont have a newspaper stats to prove it , maybe sachin sir will will arrange to get some stats from BMC office as they might have the true figures [ for me of the rest 4 , not all r marathi for sure ]
agree there r good ppl from them too , i have 2 of my best friends who r from up/bihar , and i swear they HATE these new ppl coming into the state of maharashtra....
Unfortunately , we all refer to media that almost never puts up a good facts in front of us .... how many know that Raj had arranged a career guidance mela at shivaji park ??? i guess its there every year ..... shivsena said "shiv vada pav" will come first , but do we really kno that many good activities are also taking place .... we will never ever have that news in mirror or times ... so stop blindly believeing those unless they give u a definite proof ..... recently we had a article in times saying 80% of jobs r already taken by marathi .... surprising , i guess only the mantralaya and govt offices were covered .... if this will be the case , we will NEVER have had Raj coming up on this issue .... for that matter , the govt would have already slapped Raj with charges of misleading the people ..... if thats not happened , there something more to these stats .......
Responses awaited !!!!!!
come on secularists ... we have provided u ppl enough things to think about !!!!
Jai Hind Jai Maharashtra
And this one especially for avi who is always shouting about facts..Here is something right in you face :
The identity politics has gripped the city many times this year and innocent people have suffered the most. When the state of Bombay (Maharashtra and Gujarat) was being decided five decades back, it was argued that Bombay be made a union territory.
The simple reason was that it was so multi-cultural that it could not be classified based on regional or linguistic identity. But that was not done, considering the importance of the city in the development of the state. So despite pressures from various sections of the society, Bombay or Mumbai was merged with Maharashtra. The point I am trying to raise here is that Mumbai has always been a multi-cultural city and this is something very especial about it. Mumbai is known worldwide for its cosmopolitan nature. So one should refrain from sowing the seed of regional identity in this vibrant city.
MNS has lost the way completely. It was formed to bring about a change in the state in positive sense. But has turned into a bunch of goons shouting "Mumbaikar mhanje Marathich aso," which means "Mumbaikar should be a Marathi only ." There are many problems that can be addressed by a political party in much more democratic manner and without dividing the people.
I have been in Mumbai for last five years and love being a Mumbaikar
@ Sachin
You said you're staying in Mumbai for last 5 years only. So, its no wonder that you wont ever understand the problems of Mumbaikars.
I have been staying in Mumbai since birth, that is more than 30 years, and our generations stayed in Mumbai for more than 400 years. Our future generations will continue to do so, and that is why I care about Mumbai.
Why will you care? Tomorrow you will leave Mumbai and go somewhere else...
@ Mr Sachin
Surprising , that u kno the real circumstances that occured back then in 1950s and the 1960s such great details !!!! how old are u sir !!! sorry , jokes apart , but as far as i remember, i been told that WE THE MARATHI PEOPLE FOUGHT FOR THIS MUMBAI TO BE WITH MAHARASHTRA in sanyukta maharashtra movement ...... even back then , we had people who wanted this city to be broken from maharashtra ... and our predessors gave them a fitting reply .... now that they kno they cant make mumbai a union territory by force , take the control in other way , get in BHAAIYAS , fight election , go to delhi and separate mumbai.... or still better , burden mumbai with their problems .... right naa .... laloo is their problem , money from mumbai predominantly and also from rest of country is sucked into bihar in pretext of development [GOD WHY DIDNT SOMEONE ASK THAT MINISTER WHO OFFERED 1 Cr FOR RAJ KA MURDER , WHERE DID U GET THIS MONEY YAAR]!!!!
the people who shout MUMBAI is cosmopolitan are the outsiders ..... Marathi man never ever agreed to this i guess ..... mumbai aamchi aahe ani aamchich rahnaar ...... mag tyasathi konachya tangdya todavya laglaya tari chaltil , aamhala maar khava lagla tari chalel ..... [ for secularist who will not know marathi ... i said mumbai is ours and it will remain ours , for this if its necessary to fight someone we will , if we get hit in this process , no problem , we wont leave our mumbai !!!]
..... we never had a problem with people coming and staying here sir .... u been here 5 yrs and u work of a reputed company i guess .... how many times did someone object to ur working in mumbai ??? i kno its NO ONE .... we marathi ppl dont fight without a reason [ BHAIYYA NAHI HO AMHI , je oot soot parliament madhye walkout kartat ]
And sir , now that u have said that u stayed in mumbai for 5 yrs , i find it "self insulting" even to write a reply for this post of urs ..... till this day i been trying to convince my point to an person who never knew what mumbai really is !!!! ..... pretty sad .... PLZ now dont say u r not a maharashtrian too .... i will be really disappionted .......
And even after giving the stats , if ppl dont agree , god bless them !!!! sir , if u r a marathi manoos , i will request u to get up from ur sleep for once and see the reality... no one here is a raj supporter or a shiv sainik .... we all r marathi manoos first ......
if u not a marathi manoos in ur heart .... continue with ur sleep .....
if chennai can b secular and cosmopolitan , if kolkatta can be the same , bangloroo can be same , i would love MUMBAI to be like them too ....lets all speak only marathi , let our all television broadcasts from delhi be in marathi ...... if they can have it and r still secular , why not us ??
and for info ... the word most misunderstood here is marathi manoos - we imply this means every one who thinks about maharashtra [my friends mr yadav and tiwari classify for this category my friend , they kno the problem , and at other end we have ppl who earn a fat salary , roam in airconditioned car and BELIEVE everything is good in mumbai - i call those ppl as outsiders ]
Oh n for that raj ka MNS pe comment of urs ... were u really a raj supporter ever ??? or u belong to one of those "ganga jal front ".... u have to choose .... with the way u have represented ur ideas , i guess i have come out as a better human being rather than u sir !!!!
Well enuf said on the blog on the migration front, one thing to notice here is that if we consider Mumbai alone than 58% of migration into the city takes place from rural maharashtra.
So no need to point who is putting the pressure on the infrastructure of the city.
And for the 1940's thing, Mumbai could very well have been a part of Gujrat but the sanyukta movement wasn't the reason it was made a part of Maharashtra. Maharashtra as a state did not have many avenues to develop itself industrially , thats why the political leadership at that time decided to make Mumbai a part of Maharashtra,not because of that mvment u mentioned who cudnt gather enuf political or local support to even do a full fledged demonstration in MAharashtra except for a few majorly habitated cities. Without Mumbai maharashtra would have ended up nowhere on the industrial scene in India.
@ Avi
Like u did not have to be born on the day the sanyukta mvt was launched, i simply gathered the facts from the archives.
There are people, living here who are non marathi have been living here for over a 100 yrs, coming from all over India , dnt speak Marathi, neither want to because the law of this country gives them the right to be who they want to be.
Kindly keep the personal comments out of the picture and stick to facts.
Barring the industrially advanced Bombay-Poona region, the rest of Maharashtra is even now industrially as underdeveloped as several other States in India. nearly 70 per cent of its people living in rural areas depend on agriculture for their livelihood. As the percentage of the net irrigated area to the cultivated area is extremely low and the rainfall irregular, scanty and undependable, agriculture in Maharashtra has invariably been affected by the vagaries of the monsoon. During British rule, major irrigation schemes were undertaken only in the Deccan. As the storage sites for construction of dams on the rivers in Gujarat were to be located in the former princely states which were not eager to co-operate, Gujarat had to wait till independence for the implementation of major and minor irrigation schemes (Patel, 1957 : 25-35). Compared to Gujarat, Maharashtra was in a slightly better position. While the percentage of irrigated area to the percentage of the total cultivated area in Gujarat was about 4.3 per cent in 1952-53, it was only 7 per cent in Maha Vidarbha (i. e. the Marathi-speaking areas of
Madhya Pradesh) aganist 5 per cent for the entire Bombay State.
With a population of about 55 lakhs and an annual revenue of about 7 crores, the Marathwada district constituted the most backward region of Maharashtra. Except the two textile mills at Nanded and Aurangabad, there were practically no big industries. As about 6 per cent of its land was irrigated it depended mainly on dry cultivation of cotton, jowar, oil-seeds and wheat.
One of the striking features of the economy of Maharashtra is the predominant position enjoyed by the non-Marathi-speaking businessmen, shopkeepers and industrialists who outnumber the few Marathi-speaking enterpreneurs and traders. Even during their ascendancy the rulers of Maharashtra from Shivaji to the peshwas invited and encouraged traders from Gujarat and Rajasthan to settle down in Maharashtra. The Bohras, the Khojas and the Parsis who are widely known as the trading communities, also migrated from Gujarat to Bombay during British rule. The Komtis from Andhra and the Lingayat Vanis from Karnataka also enjoyed influence in certain areas of Maharashtra. However, barring the small number of Vaishyas in the Konkan districts, the only section of society of the Marathi-speaking people which could be regarded as a class of traders consisted of the Madhyandin Deshastha Brhmins who were more known as money-lenders (Karve 1968:81). Several of them were also landowners whose land was cultivated by their tenants.
Another important feature of Maharashtra's economy is its pathetic dependence on the Bombay Metropolitan region. It accounts for 75 per cent of the industrial activity in Maharashtra and nearly 65 per cent of the factory workers in the State. It is because of Greater Bombay that Maharashtra appears to be India's most urbanished and industrially advanced State. But excluding Greater Bombay, even now, it is not merely as backward as any other state in India but in certain respects indeed more backward than many other less industrialized parts of the country. The infrastructure of the economy of rural Maharashtra is not much developed, Villages in Maharashtra generally lack adequate means of transport and communication. Particularly road mileage in Maharashtra is found woefully inadequate when compared to that in many less industrialized states in India (Maharashtra Economic Development Council 1970:76). Among the regions of Maharashtra, Western Maharashtra has better transport facilities like the railways and the national highways compared on Bombay in such a way as to link it to its vast hinterland which serves as a feeder. In view of this almost total dependence of Western Maharastra particularly the Konkan districts on Greater Bombay, it was not surprising that the attempt to separate the city from its hinterland was opposed with greater intensily by the people in this area compared to those in the other regions of Maharashtra.
The Census of 1951, however, reveals that the Marathi-speaking people including the Konkani-speaking people forms nearly 48 per cent of the city's population. Thus they are no longer a majority group but are merely the largest single group in the city.
@ Mr Sachin .....
hats off to u for this beautiful post of urs .... u have really dug into history to find this one .... cool , where did u read this sir !!!
1] the area under irrigation wala point of urs ... great ... u gave values from 1950s to prove that rural maharashtra is worse than an underdeveloped state in india [ i bet even then the rural maharashtra was better than todays Bihar]
2] marathwada as a backward region !!!! hummm great , seems u never been there sir ..... anyways u can be happy i m not commenting on this ... someone from marathwada will be better off telling u developments there in last 50 yrs ..... [as if u are going to believe him !!!!]
3]I guess when u say Shivaji Maharaj called upon gujrathis and parsis and all for business .... he never would have asked them to bring their workpower from gujrath or bihar ... the basic work was always done by marathi population even then ..... how we misunderstand that shivaji maharaj didnt care for marathi people ??? he was THE GREATEST ruler maharashtra saw , and u trying to say he offered jobs/business to "outsiders" and not marathi people back then is foolish on ur part sir .... the moto would surely have been to provide local people with occupation .....and improve economy of maharashtra [ did u forget the stroy , where Maharaj himself warned the britishers - " be here as a guest , do ur business , never try to get into the politics here " at the time of his coronation ceremony , or u conveniently forgot this tale ???? ]
even back then we had marathi businessman , we have them today too ..... and giving them preference is a bad thing , right ??? marathi should not develop , let us allow others to develop !!!
4] the economy of maharashtra [ stats provided are from the yr 1970-1976 ] was surely dependent on mumbai back then .... today .... we have pune , nashik , and many more .... every district today has a engg college , has an industrial centre [how will u know ... ever been out of mumbai ??] we have developed far far better than the other states ... agreed not the best form of development , but definitely in top 10 states in terms of overall development
5]"The infrastructure of the economy of rural Maharashtra is not much developed, Villages in Maharashtra generally lack adequate means of transport and communication" this is the most hilarious statement of ur post .... my village [ wich is 30 kms into interiors from neares town .....] has telephones ... mobiles , transportation is great , roads are b-e-a-u-tiful [might give mumbai roads a run for their money ]
road mileage ??? 15/lit on my maruti swift with A/C on ?? poor eh !!!! the car gives avg of less than 10 in mumbai !!! UTTER RUBBISH STATS [again an old one ... come back to the present sir ]........KONKAN RAILS ka engg were called to get tunneling work done in Australia , that was the miraculous work done by then , thats for ur techno advances , the anticollision device for trains that is used now a days is made by a marathi person working in konkan rails ...... enough to negate that we lag behind
6]when u say 48% was marathi in 1951 census , i guess the other 52% include a range of other communities from the other state of India naa ??? so no other group will be more than 48% ?? so who is in majority eh !!!! abhi aapko maths aur logic sikhana padega to fir humjaise log khudko kuch jyada hi smart samajhne lagenge saheb !!!! come on sir , u can understand who was in majority , right ??
@ sachin sir
frankly Sir , ur recent posts have been really disappointing , i felt i have to argue with a person who is literate enough about issues and responsible enough to understand the seriousness of what he writes on a blog!!!
humm... u said 58 % migration happens into mumbai from rural maharashtra .... thats what we want naa.... our maharashtrian brothers getting the jobs here in mumbai too ..... as i have already said , marathi youth today is ready to do every kinda job , and if there r job oppurtunities , they should go to the "maharashtrains" [meaning - people who stay in maharashtra and believe in its rich hertiage and respect the local culture and speak marathi too , includes a bhaiyya speaking marathi and the one who really wants to help mumbai and maharashtra grow , not take money out of maharashtra ]. i believe that was a poor comment from a person of ur intelligence sir !!!! come on , dont tell me someone is to drive the maharashtrains out of mumbai , this is the capital of MY state .....
Oh , and sir , u r so poorly informed about the sanyukta maharashtra movement !!!! ARE U EVEN A MAHARASHTRIAN TO COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE OR U JUST SEARCH SOME BIASED BLOGS AND TYPE IT HERE....if it wasnt a mass campaign with wide impact , we would have had mumbai as a part of gujrat really ..... [ hope i m explaining this to a person , who can actually open his eyes to the truth ... we wouldnt have been celebrating maharashtra day today without the great peoples sacrifices during that movement ] even then we had people like u who wanted Mumbai to be separated from maharashtra , who gave such pathetic reasons even then , but the JUST and TRUTH were victorious then , they will be victorious now and they will continue to win till they fight for the right and just cause ...... {what ur opinion about Gandhiji , do u classify him in the same category as Raj thakrey ?? well he too forced ppl to think out of the box , and united AGAINST THE BRITISHERS [a minority then right] ... for their LAND ..... and please for gods sake , dont even say that i compared the two , Gandhiji was a great great leader , raj thakrey is miles miles away from even standing in the same category , forget comparing raj with Gandhiji.... both r 2 different person , for me gandhiji was simply one of the best the world has seen!!!!} but since u r of such a non divisive mentality , sir , i guess if u would have been born then , u would have been the leader of people saying "britishers should not be thrown out , let them live here in india in peace ,the LAW ALLOWS THEM to live here !!!!!"
Oh and LAW of country allowing u all to speak any language u want ??? i bet u never tried that in southern states ?? in kolkatta ??? in north east ??? convenient to say that in mumbai and maharashtra , cause WE Tolerate such kind of behaviour encroaching onto our culture , ..... i must say sir , u r lucky to me in MAHARASHTRA ..... might not be so in other states , where u would have been forced to learn the local language and if u dared talk in hindi , people would have laughed at u and tortured u .... hope ppl like u understand this sooner than later , and live in harmony WITH the local culture learn the MARATHI language and not teach marathi manoos the law .... the marathi manoos is losing his temper over this already !!!!!
u can definitely say in ur next blog that i m a separatist , and that i m giving a "dhamki" , but i forsee a condition where marathi ppl might just unite and fight really hard for their culture .... and to prevent widespread damage ... its better we all take preventive action right now .....
We mumbaikars and the entire india went through hell this week ..... its been really bad that we all indians suffered because of the shameless and cowardly act of terrorism by the terrorist ...... unfortunately even in this time of severe sorrow , we have people who find time to start an anti-raj campaign ...... majority of the people killed at CST station were innocent people ..... maybe marathi , maybe non marathi .... but when we have a sms going round saying "where was raj and his marathi manoos ??" , i find it really bad to say that , if raj was at all trying to break up our country , U all are doing a greater sin by negating the sacrifice of the MUMBAI POLICE in ur pursuit to damage image of raj thakray........ please , at this point of time ... when the attack is on INDIA and not on just MUMBAI i would like to tell people NOT to pass on such smses ..... u have that much time and money , please then send sms saying " we are proud of u MUMBAI POLICE , MARCOS , ARMY and NSG ... jai hind ... bharat mata ki jai " .....
The fact of the matter remains that Mumbai has become the financial capital of india by the contributions of NON MARATHIS AS WELL, All the major industrial houses of mumbai are of people from outside of Maharashtra (Reliance,Tatas,Godrej and all the other MNC's). When they were setting up their units and factories no outcry was made, now when others are reaping benefits people started whining and all those stupid and illitrate mentality like yours shouting "Marathis only".
Name one major "son of the soil" marathi corporate house of maharashtra.
Refer to my earlier article and see where marathis were in terms of development. Seeing the dire state of affairs shivaji and other peshwa rulers invited punjabis, sindhis , baniyas, gujratis to industrialize this part of the country.
The fact of the matter is the moment they set foot here and started making a living they became Maharashtrians so there is no question of who gets what.
All of us have to share what we have.
Without them this state would be thrown back to being in a state like that of Bihar ......
and i bet u have didn't even once live in the southern states and just spreading rumours u have heard from people like you ......
no knife of gun is pointed at their head to learn other language or follow their culture ...
Live like u want to and let live other people like they want to ...
If u go against this, u will alwyz get a kick in the ass from people u are trying to enforce ur rule on !!!!!
Jst refer to my earlier article ... Marathis are 48 % in Mumbai .... a single largest ethnic group and not the majority of people .....
""all those stupid and illitrate mentality like yours shouting "Marathis only"..""..... thanks for calling us stupid and illiterate ....... it really showed WHO really is stupid and illiterate .... and uncultured too
""The fact of the matter is the moment they set foot here and started making a living they became Maharashtrians so there is no question of who gets what....."" unfortunate that after so much time u still dont understand the fact that "marathi manoos" for everyone here means a person who is a marathi by heart and not marathi by name ....... for me , ppl not supporting the issue of sons of soil are not marathi enough.
Oh ...DO u know kirloskar bandhu ..... how abt berde and company .....Kesari tours wale ?? u know them ??? unfortunately u will not know them cause they r maharashtrians yaar!!!!! chalo yaar , jane bhi do..... we all kno who is biased here ...... OHHHHH and if it is that all the development in mumbai and maharashtra is cause of "outsiders" , WHY THE HELL DIDNT UP BIHAR ASSAM AND OTHER STATES PROSPER ??? i guess the credit goes to MARATHI manoos for working with them , and allowing them to work peacefully here.... now once u start getting on our nerves, the story changes .....
Kick on the a#$ hummm....... guess who got that ???? self explanatory question ... we all kno who's a$# is hurting now ..... n it isnt ours .....
And finally lets try maths for ur revision !!!! SAy for eg. 48% marathi , 15 % bhaiyyas , 15 % south indians , rest of them 22% .... who r in majority ????
[OMG , the answer is marathi people, we need to put every other person in the others ka group to defeat this .... least u kno how irritated many ppl are with the bhaiiyas] SORRY , i proved that u too poor in maths too ....[psst, dont let ppl in ur office know this , they might kick u on ur A@#]
Rumors from other state ???? dear dear sir , unfortunate that u urself wrote , "i learnt the language there in chennai" , but do stubbornly refuse to learm marathi !!!!!HAHAHAHAHA i pity ppl like u , who cant remember what they wrote few months back
WHO IS BIASED ???? ITS MORONS like u who r biased , u r responsible for the pathetic condition of our villages in maharashtra .... u responsible for the power cuts in maharashtra , u responsible for the meagre water supply..... maybe u ppl r responsible for causing more disharmony here in maharashtra
cause in otther states ,they will kick u not on ur butts but they will kick u here it hurts
AWAIT THE ELECTIONS [more so now , cause u know what congress has done for maharashtra now] the results and the effects will be there for u !!!! till then ,plz live in ur dream world ...... its going to be shattered soon !!!!!
@ Avi
CLARIFICATION ON IST POINT :
I called ur mentality illitrate shouting "Marathis only" ... and not the Marathis illitrate (OMG i proved u dnt knw how to speak English, guess u are stupid and illitrate )And dnt screw up your official letters by such miscommunication.
U'll get more than a kick on your a@#.
U'LL GET FIRED.
And when u become unemployed u can show your true colours by picking up a lathi,join MNS, and show your truself, a violent trouble seeker, the true nature that u're pretending to supress with so much effort.
I guess u also dint go to school , out of a 100% if A is 48% and B (Consisting of D+E+F) is 52 %. who is in majority. An educated person will say B (collectively) and A is the single largest group. But i guess a feeble mind like urs would not comprehend this simple arithmatic calculation.
What do you mean "Marathi" by heart ?
A person living and earning in this state who is not a marathi, who respects the people, respects their dignity and freedom is a true citizen of this country and earns the right to be called an Indian.
The whole concept of marathi manoos for u is misplaced.Why should a person be a marathi to be categorized as a dignified and peace loving citizen.
Just stuff it dude alrite ...
And the fact that i learned that language in Chennai was on my own accord to communicate b etter with the local people and not because i had to or someone forced me to do it or i cudn't have done without learning it ...
Peole who understood a bit hindi+english combo worked fine.
Problem was with the grass root level people who never spoke a word of hindi or english not because they hated these languages but because they never had to . The cosmopolitan nature of this city like Delhi and calcutta demands that a person has a general understanding of all the languages and he is bound to get customers of evry region, language and culture.
Even thje taxi drivers and the local shopkeepers over in Chennai understand english mixed with a lil bit hindi.
Don't twist everythin i said ok ...
This shows u dnt have any standing or ground on this issue ...
What a waste of time even replying to your senseless and biased accusations.
Oh yes , i am waiting for elections. One more time wanna see the smirk wiped off the faces of people like u who think that by dividing the people they can come to power !!!!!
@ Sachin
Hummm intelligent communication from intelligent ones ..... now i had already said it once and let me repeat it for u again , this blog is no fighting ground for u and me , but ever since the start of me posting here , its been a personal fight from ur side ......
anyways , its a waste of my time and efforts to actually comment on ur points any more , and guess this is my final post......
people who r followers of the blog have perhaps understood what i meant by each comment here
i will congratulate u for uniting the remaining 52% population in mumbai against Marathi manoos ..... thanks a lot. i really pity marathi manoos , who is in minority in the capital of his own state.
dont worry , i will not be unemployed ever [i have faith in myself and my qualifications], nor will i ever have the need to join MNS to pick up a lathi [thats the job of SP and abu azmi ,they r ur guru sir , not mine ]
AND if chennai has changed , thats a great news. thanks for being their brand ambassador !!!! unfortunately , my most recent trip didnt get me a single driver who understood hindi [ official language of india , eh!!! ]
YES every maharashtrian is an INDIAN first [jai HIND then jai maharashtra i guess] , but we will keep having people who will continuously deny the fact that states were made on basis of language , and that the great ppl at that time too thought it was essential to give local language a boost to help india grow . Chalo yeah baat bhi sahi ...... does not deny the fact that we had intelligent people in india back then ......
YES SACHIN SAHEB , AAPAN JINKLAT , MEE HARLO , ATTA MALA TUMCHYASHI FALTU WAAD GHALAYLA TIME NAHI .... god bless u , and give u the brains to take correct decision in life ...... plz vote for a party that fights for UR rights and not for rights of the maharashtra .
Jai Hind , Jai Maharashtra !!!
Sorry i had to write again , but u didnt remember any marathi businessman who has made it big !!!!
and u didnt mention why if non maharashtrians are a cause of progress in maharashtra , why didnt bihar or assam or any north ka state develop so much ???
Sir , honestly , i will like to know ur views on this too ..... i wanna know if it contradicts my answer that maharashtrians co-operated for the progress of the non maharashtrains , hoping for development of maharashtra in return........
Plz sachin sir , do answer !!!!!
@ Avi
All people need is the chance to make their lives better. If i am an industrialist i wudn't dare set up a buisness in Bihar or Assam because of security and operational difiiculties.
The moment i set up a unit there, chances are i might get kidnapped by ulfa or armed robbers.
For these two things to be there we need to have political will which is absent there.
Its no fault of the people living there.
They are as hardworking or dilligent as any other citizen of India.
If something was fundametally wrong with these people why would anyone hire them in the first place throughout India.
All of us are lucky to live in states which though are corrupt but still are held accountable and administration fears reprucussions if they waver too much.
People in these states dnt have a choice.They can't rely on already dwindling agriculture in this country and thats why move out to other states.
Nobody wants to leave their own home, but these people have no choice.
I do not beleive it is right to crucify them on such a hateful pretext.
Coming back to who or who is not responsible prosperity of Mumbai , has an obvious response, all of us the people of Mumbai (Marathi or Non Marathi). And thats where the sharing part comes in. If we all are working towards making this place a delite to live in, then all of us have to share what we get from it.
No one is pitting the 52% odd non-marathi people against the marathis. The point was again to highlight the fact that all of them are contributing as well and they can't be denied there rights, by shouting about how this is a marathi dominted land.
Also i agree with you that the personal attacks on this blog must stop. But if i take a step back, u shud do the same.
Each time i give an explanation or an opinion i end up questioning your integrity, honesty and sometimes your sanity :). And you my friend also do the same ...
Let it be a plateform where we are two different men having different opinions and lets use this as a way to voice our concerns and opinions and not launch attacks.
There is no right or wrong here. The key is how the people will arrive at a common ground !!!!!
I have my comments on this sir ,
the chances that u will be badly screwed up if u set up an industry in bihar or other similar states is a FACT and finally we found a point we both can agree upon.but now the difference is , that i believe that the people coming to mumbai from out of maharashtra shud see that the condition in their state changes rather than bring in people here.ppl like laloo are trying to fill in jobs for railways and other govt post with biharis for the simple reason that , the learned can move out , and the illiterates can continue to believe that laloo is their saviour.why cant laloo dare have a fair exams for railways??
i believe the change is required there in bihar and similar states rather than here in maharashtra... if u urself can understand .... its 48% maharashtrians in mumbai , implying that nonmarathis have almost taken over the CAPITAL OF MARATHI SPEAKING state. dunno what that means for u , but for me , it means a decrease in job opportunity for marathi ppl , means sooner we will have nonmarathi ppl like mulayam , mayawati and laloo will gain a foot hold here , and intellectuals will have to move to a better city , leaving mumbai. we might just see the day when our CM is a Laloo ka chela , and maharashtra no worse than Bihar...we can wait and watch , or stop this dirty politics of the laloo clan !!!
ANd i firmly believe , nonmarathi progressed in maharashtra because the marathi always thought of others, the state and the country even before thinking about themselves.our politicians having "shame" compared to other regions point the fact that we r better morally than most others..... u can differ on this point.no one ever shouted over ppl who have already been here , working for maharashtra ...... unfortunately , few intellectuals take it so personally , that when we ask jobs for the untrained category , we have a HULLA in an MNC over it.....who is asking the engg and the dr to leave mumbai.their contribution is undeniable but we r against migration on large scale and the subsequent law and order problems ..... think abt it sir , my bro will not accomodate me in his bedroom for too long , just cause my bedroom ka window is broken.its high time i repair it and shift back to my bedroom ..... if we all believe that the law n order problem in the bihar like state is a major problem , why dont intellectuals like u n me go there and explain them the basic problem .... that ppl of maharashtra are really nice and r not against a bhaiyya or a southie , we r against major migration cause we r facing problem. why dont good people like sachin sir , who stay in a protected state like mumbai , voice their concern against corruption and ill mgmt in bihar and other state , ask to apply presidents rule in them , and change the things for better..... telling ppl of mumbai to be quiet and peaceful is punishing the sufferer while leaving the basic cause untouched !!!! believe me , if this change in their state doesnt happen , raj thakrey or no raj , we will always have a sense of being sucked off our resources , and i m sure , some day u will feel the pinch!!!!
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